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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 12:29 PM
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Keeping AC and removing PS

Hey, my block is out of the car for right now and I am selling my PS pump. I am having my steering rack converted to a manual rack and would like to keep my AC. I will cut the top of the PS/AC bracket off but I have a question. How will I get the belt tight because now I will have a belt run from the Crank puley to the AC pulley? Has anyone made a custom tensioner pulley to do this?

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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 02:13 PM
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anyone?
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 02:30 PM
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I don't think I've seen anyone on this forum remove the PS but keep the AC. They usually keep both or remove both.

I would imagine Garfinkle would probably whip something up for you.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 04:22 PM
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I don't think I've seen anyone on this forum remove the PS but keep the AC. They usually keep both or remove both.

I would imagine Garfinkle would probably whip something up for you.
Well, I was wondering if I could have groves machined into the tension pulley so that way I could tighten the belt. I am not sure if they line up pefectly with the crank and AC pulleys though. I need AC because FL gets hot.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 04:26 PM
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The first picture shows the pulley that could be machined with groves for a belt.

The second picture shows the path of the new belt. Would this work?
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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^^^ anyone know if this will work?
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^^^ anyone know if this will work?

That should work as long as you can keep the tension good.
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Old Jan 17, 2006 | 08:54 PM
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I am 1000 miles away from my car so I can't look at it but does the tensioner pulley vertically line up with the crank and AC pulley?
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Old Jul 5, 2010 | 10:08 PM
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Bringing this one back from the dead. Why? Because I want to do the same thing. No PS, keep the AC.

Thoughts?
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Old Jul 5, 2010 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by XLR8
Bringing this one back from the dead. Why? Because I want to do the same thing. No PS, keep the AC.

Thoughts?
Me too
Lwnslw and I will be studying this shortly as soon as I get a spare PS bracket to try it out.
Think of it as the "Florida Only" Tension Pulley

Perhaps if there is enough interest a vendor could fab up a special bracket/grooved pulley?
Hint, Hint?
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Old Jul 6, 2010 | 12:29 AM
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^ Yep, that would be awesome.

I know many people ditch the PS, and with good reason. But AC is a little harder to swallow for a street driven car. Especially anywhere close to the south. ****, it was 93deg in NJ today, and suppose to be 99 tomorrow......

Who wants to step up to the fabrication plate?.... paypal ready
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Old Jul 6, 2010 | 12:46 AM
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^ thats nothing .. today in palmsprings hit 107 , and i think thats god like good weather.

last week hit 116.
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A grooved belt to replace the smooth one on the tensioner would make everything perfect.
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Old Jul 6, 2010 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by kensin
^ thats nothing .. today in palmsprings hit 107 , and i think thats god like good weather.

last week hit 116.
Yeah.... that's warm for the states. Iraq in August.... around 128 every day . Stepping outside is like a hair dryer to the face.

AC is simply nice to have no matter how hot it gets..... When your making good power, and have your cooling mods sorted, there is no reason not to have it. PS on the other hand is simply not needed for our cars.
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 03:44 PM
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yup, but ill keep both. when ever i decide to remove either one , both will come out
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I'm putting in my engine this week, and am doing the same. I'll keep an eye on this thread for ideas, otherwise I'll post what I come up with.
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I'd like a solution as well.

What we need is for someone with alot of time and good boots to grab their old idler pulley and hit the junkyards (i.e. Automotive recycling centers) and find something with the same size mounting bolt, roughly the same diameter but grooved instead of smooth. Post the make, year and model it came out of and then lazy asses like me will order a new one online for something like $35.
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I used a groved pully instead of the stock Idler.

I'd have to go research to find what exact car it came from but there are a few.

These types of modifications aren't hard they just take some effort.

I put a FC manual rack in my FD (haven't seen anyone do that.....) so I didn't need PS.

I also put a Ford Taurus SHO alternator (130A) to replace the crapy FD one........
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I also put a Ford Taurus SHO alternator (130A) to replace the crapy FD one........
More info, and pics ?

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Originally Posted by PDViper77
Hey, my block is out of the car for right now and I am selling my PS pump. I am having my steering rack converted to a manual rack and would like to keep my AC. I will cut the top of the PS/AC bracket off but I have a question. How will I get the belt tight because now I will have a belt run from the Crank puley to the AC pulley? Has anyone made a custom tensioner pulley to do this?

Thanks,
Phil
FWIW, I didn't cut the top of the PS/AC bracket off, and just used the stock idler pulley along with a shorter belt.

:-) neil
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by M104-AMG
More info, and pics ?

Thanks,
:-) neil
FD is 90A

This guy is 130A

I have a compare pic

Has an external regulator (bonus imo)

Only need a small spacer for the back

Pulley bolts up (I swapped a stock so that it's not under driven)

Got this reman for 80 bucks shipped to my door.

Alternator 1994 - 1995 Ford Taurus W/SHO

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWNX%3AIT


Bought the conversion kit for the 3G alternators (has plug I needed)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWNX%3AIT

Rest is easy because you already have the two wires you need from the stock alternator.

Included a pic of the grooved idler pulley.....
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Thanks!

Will it fit with an un-cut stock PS/AC bracket ?

:-) neil
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Will it fit with an un-cut stock PS/AC bracket ?

:-) neil
Should be fine (generally fits where the stock FD alt sits).

You can't use the stock bracket so I used a left over air pump bracket......
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Originally Posted by M104-AMG
FWIW, I didn't cut the top of the PS/AC bracket off, and just used the stock idler pulley along with a shorter belt.

:-) neil
So your running a grooved belt on a non-grooved pulley?

Seems like it would drift & lead to a lot of belt wear. But hey, if it hangs in there, it could be a temporary solution.

I will experiment with this solution further. I think a decent pulley & some shims/washers should get the alignment right. I have an extra Civic idler laying around. I'll let you all know.
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Sesshoumaru
I used a groved pully instead of the stock Idler.

I'd have to go research to find what exact car it came from but there are a few.
Yes, please let us know
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