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10-12-04, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
You're assuming an inadequate cooling system, which is not necessarily the case with cars other than the FD.
A lower temperature thermostat opens sooner and allows the cooling system to start doing its job earlier. A cooler running engine allows you to use less octane (or more compression), advance timing, or increase boost, all of which can increase power.
Keep in mind that replacing the thermostat does not change the fan activation points in an electronically controlled system. The ECU must also be (re)programmed to lower the temperatures at which the fans turn on.
A lower temperature thermostat opens sooner and allows the cooling system to start doing its job earlier. A cooler running engine allows you to use less octane (or more compression), advance timing, or increase boost, all of which can increase power.
Keep in mind that replacing the thermostat does not change the fan activation points in an electronically controlled system. The ECU must also be (re)programmed to lower the temperatures at which the fans turn on.
10-12-04, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
You're assuming an inadequate cooling system, which is not necessarily the case with cars other than the FD.
A lower temperature thermostat opens sooner and allows the cooling system to start doing its job earlier. A cooler running engine allows you to use less octane (or more compression), advance timing, or increase boost, all of which can increase power.
Keep in mind that replacing the thermostat does not change the fan activation points in an electronically controlled system. The ECU must also be (re)programmed to lower the temperatures at which the fans turn on.
A lower temperature thermostat opens sooner and allows the cooling system to start doing its job earlier. A cooler running engine allows you to use less octane (or more compression), advance timing, or increase boost, all of which can increase power.
Keep in mind that replacing the thermostat does not change the fan activation points in an electronically controlled system. The ECU must also be (re)programmed to lower the temperatures at which the fans turn on.
My point is that with a road going FD that is also used in track events there will be no coolant temp difference between similar cars just running a different temp T-stat 170F vs. stock (185F?). The way I see it that won't let you run more boost, timing, etc. Maybe the fans could help keep the temps lower in traffic but not anytime under load when you really could take advantage of more boost/timing/etc.
I know that the V8 guys commonly run cooler T-stats due to the reasons you mentioned.
10-12-04, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by radkins
So are you saying there are cars that run cooler then 180 feg F on a road coarse?
10-15-04, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
"Your memory is about as good as your test data : ) The car has never been started without headlights, the signal lights are replaced with ugly little amber covers in the corners for the turnsignals usign the OEM bulbs, my air filters sit below the headlights so the opening is a cold air source directly to the air filter (considering your reported temps you should really look into it
.) The car has always, and still does, have a full interior except the rear bins were removed to put roll bar in, I even recarpeted the floor where the bins were. The stock stereo is fully in place as is everything else like the heater etc. Yes I ran race gas while at the track and used DOT legal M&H's. What do converters and rear tires have to do with being a street car? Oh and yes it was very much a street car at the time and even still is.
.) The car has always, and still does, have a full interior except the rear bins were removed to put roll bar in, I even recarpeted the floor where the bins were. The stock stereo is fully in place as is everything else like the heater etc. Yes I ran race gas while at the track and used DOT legal M&H's. What do converters and rear tires have to do with being a street car? Oh and yes it was very much a street car at the time and even still is.And then, your car has sit undrivable for years now, right? I don't think it has run as long as I've had my RX-7, which is almost 7 years now. What a street car you have there...
"We applaud your past RX-7 accomplishments. But your ET or MPH accomplishments prove little about your IC design. Ray Lockhead was running in the 8's in the 1/4 with a tiny horizontally mounted underhood IC. Steve the datalogit guy ran an 11 (11.1 I think?) with a stock IC. Using your flawed logic, a tiny underhood IC should be good for running 8's and the stock IC should be good for 11's."
You proved my point for me. I never said I had the best IC for drag racing but it obviously wasn't holding anything back either.
You proved my point for me. I never said I had the best IC for drag racing but it obviously wasn't holding anything back either.
In fact, you never ran a FMIC or water IC, so the fact is you don't know that your IC wasn't holding you back.
"If you can't admit that there are flaws in the design of your intercooler, and that there are other designs that are clear improvements in many areas, then your bias is so great that I can't help but think that all you are doing is defending your IC because it's yours. Maybe it has little to do with design and more to do with your pride."
Heheh, I think you've missed most discussions about IC's with credible people. The usual concensus is that every design makes certain compromises. Each design is a balancing act with a slightly different focus. I was actually about to do a new IC but ended up deciding against it because some jerkoff would just make direct copies of all the new fiberglass masters I'd have to pay to make.
Heheh, I think you've missed most discussions about IC's with credible people. The usual concensus is that every design makes certain compromises. Each design is a balancing act with a slightly different focus. I was actually about to do a new IC but ended up deciding against it because some jerkoff would just make direct copies of all the new fiberglass masters I'd have to pay to make.
Three things you can count on reading in any thread Kevin participates in...
1) bragging about his past accomplishments (like a 40 year old man who can't get over his great high school football days)
2) whining about all the people who have "copied" his designs over the years, and
3) blaming others (for flaws in "his" IC, the reasons why his car doesn't run, the reasons why he doesn't produce parts anymore, etc.) Everything is someone else's fault.
Please, Kevin, find another way to validate yourself.
Wade
10-15-04, 07:29 PM
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You are completely without a clue Wade. You've got a big mouth but there doesn't appear to be enough knowledge to support what comes out of it.
"What do converters and rear tires have to do with being a street car? Lots. Well, for a car to be truly street legal a converter is necessary. "
Well let's see, any single turbo kit, almost every IC, any downpipe, almost all headlight kits, any aftermarket ECU and so on all make the car technically not street legal under federal emissions and other laws. Are you really suggesting a car has to be perfectly legal to be a street car? If so 90% of the people on this board don't have street cars. I consider any car that I can drive where I live and be pulled over by random city police and be allowed to drive away without being put on a trailer a street car.
"DOT legal M&H's aren't practical for street use either. So you might be able to limp your way to the track without using a trailer. But the difference between your car, and Adam's, which you consider a "trailer queen", is not as far apart as you seem to think. You would either change tires at the track (or drive to the track on "legal" slicks) and pour in race gas there, or you could trailer your car in..."
M & H's with 35psi of air drive just fine around town. Apparently you've never done it. I did it for years and when we'd street race on weekends we'd drive over a hundred miles a night going from spot to spot. There was no limping to the track, sheesh. If you knew you were going out racing you mixed in 5 or 10 gallons of race gas with whatever was in the tank already. The only limitation is you couldn't pretend to be some flake from the fast and furious pissing off traffic by weaving in and out or wrecking your car by sliding off the side of a sandy on-ramp you went into thinking you're a race car driver.
"...What's the difference? Not much. Neither car could run with the dragstrip configuration and be even close to street legal or even practical, on the street..."
Bzzzt! Wrong!. The only difference? You let some air out of the rear tires at the track. It is otherwise in exactly the same trim as on the street. You just can't rip around corners but are perfectly fine at the posted limits in turns. See you don't know as much as you seem to think. I also don't think you have a clue what a welded differential and that G force tranny do.
"... This was evidenced by the relatively poor performance of your car in the One Lap drag races."
Hey smart ***. I came in 2nd out of 96 cars in the drag race event. Including beating the factory team twin turbo 993 professionally driven, 900hp Corvettes and a myriad of other high dollar race cars. You probably don't know this but there was no track prep, it wasn't cleaned, no traction compound was put down, nothing, not to mention we had driven thousands of miles on fouled plugs in a matter of days. I drove the car 6000 miles in 1 1/2 weeks for that event, oh wait it's not a street car. The only thing I can conclude is that you've got street car confused with daily driver.
"And then, your car has sit undrivable for years now, right? I don't think it has run as long as I've had my RX-7, which is almost 7 years now. What a street car you have there..."
Odd, I was driving it a few weeks ago, on the street no less. I even got pulled over and let go after the car was inspected. How does my leaving the car untouched while I do other things make it any less of a street car? Maybe you need your car to go to work or something. Mine's a toy I play with when I have spare time, which is not very often.
"Neither was the tiny horizontal IC Ray had that ran 8's or the STOCK IC that Steve ran 11's with... Your point is that your IC didn't hold you back and isn't a bottleneck of any sort, which is a flawed and invalid argument anyway.
In fact, you never ran a FMIC or water IC, so the fact is you don't know that your IC wasn't holding you back."
While I do feel that I'm a pretty good driver I'm not some miracle worker, and considering in almost ten years nobody has beaten the numbers on a stock block it's a fairly valid assumption to make that there wasn't any real bottle neck on my car. If there were. people would be trouncing those numbers in similar setups without the "bottleneck".
"Please, Kevin, find another way to validate yourself.
Wade"
ROFL. Gee I thought that's what I had been doing. Why do you think my car has been sitting for so long you idiot? Why would I post in a car forum about getting married, having 2 children, buying a gorgeous 4000 fsqft house, all the neat stuff going on with the company I own. Maybe I should go on about the live coral reef in my office. Should I be some dork that creates a website to show off my house or yammer on about having a 3.83 GPA in a degree I'm doing for my own personal satisfaction in my "spare" time? That's some of what I've been doing to feel "validated" while my car sat in the lower garage.
Silly me, I thought I should post about what I do or have done with RX7's in an RX7 Forum. Sometimes I can be so absent minded. I'm sorry Wade I'll follow your insightful lead and post about my children or something within your chronologically acceptable time frame. In the meantime I'll put other things in my life on hold so I can rush out and do something with my car to please you. Sorry I can't respond with any expectations to be found in your posts in retort because I have no clue who you are.
Kevin T. Wyum
"What do converters and rear tires have to do with being a street car? Lots. Well, for a car to be truly street legal a converter is necessary. "
Well let's see, any single turbo kit, almost every IC, any downpipe, almost all headlight kits, any aftermarket ECU and so on all make the car technically not street legal under federal emissions and other laws. Are you really suggesting a car has to be perfectly legal to be a street car? If so 90% of the people on this board don't have street cars. I consider any car that I can drive where I live and be pulled over by random city police and be allowed to drive away without being put on a trailer a street car.
"DOT legal M&H's aren't practical for street use either. So you might be able to limp your way to the track without using a trailer. But the difference between your car, and Adam's, which you consider a "trailer queen", is not as far apart as you seem to think. You would either change tires at the track (or drive to the track on "legal" slicks) and pour in race gas there, or you could trailer your car in..."
M & H's with 35psi of air drive just fine around town. Apparently you've never done it. I did it for years and when we'd street race on weekends we'd drive over a hundred miles a night going from spot to spot. There was no limping to the track, sheesh. If you knew you were going out racing you mixed in 5 or 10 gallons of race gas with whatever was in the tank already. The only limitation is you couldn't pretend to be some flake from the fast and furious pissing off traffic by weaving in and out or wrecking your car by sliding off the side of a sandy on-ramp you went into thinking you're a race car driver.
"...What's the difference? Not much. Neither car could run with the dragstrip configuration and be even close to street legal or even practical, on the street..."
Bzzzt! Wrong!. The only difference? You let some air out of the rear tires at the track. It is otherwise in exactly the same trim as on the street. You just can't rip around corners but are perfectly fine at the posted limits in turns. See you don't know as much as you seem to think. I also don't think you have a clue what a welded differential and that G force tranny do.
"... This was evidenced by the relatively poor performance of your car in the One Lap drag races."
Hey smart ***. I came in 2nd out of 96 cars in the drag race event. Including beating the factory team twin turbo 993 professionally driven, 900hp Corvettes and a myriad of other high dollar race cars. You probably don't know this but there was no track prep, it wasn't cleaned, no traction compound was put down, nothing, not to mention we had driven thousands of miles on fouled plugs in a matter of days. I drove the car 6000 miles in 1 1/2 weeks for that event, oh wait it's not a street car. The only thing I can conclude is that you've got street car confused with daily driver.
"And then, your car has sit undrivable for years now, right? I don't think it has run as long as I've had my RX-7, which is almost 7 years now. What a street car you have there..."
Odd, I was driving it a few weeks ago, on the street no less. I even got pulled over and let go after the car was inspected. How does my leaving the car untouched while I do other things make it any less of a street car? Maybe you need your car to go to work or something. Mine's a toy I play with when I have spare time, which is not very often.
"Neither was the tiny horizontal IC Ray had that ran 8's or the STOCK IC that Steve ran 11's with... Your point is that your IC didn't hold you back and isn't a bottleneck of any sort, which is a flawed and invalid argument anyway.
In fact, you never ran a FMIC or water IC, so the fact is you don't know that your IC wasn't holding you back."
While I do feel that I'm a pretty good driver I'm not some miracle worker, and considering in almost ten years nobody has beaten the numbers on a stock block it's a fairly valid assumption to make that there wasn't any real bottle neck on my car. If there were. people would be trouncing those numbers in similar setups without the "bottleneck".
"Please, Kevin, find another way to validate yourself.
Wade"
ROFL. Gee I thought that's what I had been doing. Why do you think my car has been sitting for so long you idiot? Why would I post in a car forum about getting married, having 2 children, buying a gorgeous 4000 fsqft house, all the neat stuff going on with the company I own. Maybe I should go on about the live coral reef in my office. Should I be some dork that creates a website to show off my house or yammer on about having a 3.83 GPA in a degree I'm doing for my own personal satisfaction in my "spare" time? That's some of what I've been doing to feel "validated" while my car sat in the lower garage.
Silly me, I thought I should post about what I do or have done with RX7's in an RX7 Forum. Sometimes I can be so absent minded. I'm sorry Wade I'll follow your insightful lead and post about my children or something within your chronologically acceptable time frame. In the meantime I'll put other things in my life on hold so I can rush out and do something with my car to please you. Sorry I can't respond with any expectations to be found in your posts in retort because I have no clue who you are.
Kevin T. Wyum
10-15-04, 09:49 PM
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Kevin, forgive me for being ignorant, but can you describe what type of setup you had where you ran 10's with stock turbos? Those aren't the same crazy twin T04E turbos that I've been seeing pictures of lately right?
10-15-04, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 1FooknTiteFD
Kevin, forgive me for being ignorant, but can you describe what type of setup you had where you ran 10's with stock turbos? Those aren't the same crazy twin T04E turbos that I've been seeing pictures of lately right?
The current set up is a completely different ball game. Outside of breaking the diff, tranny or axels the car should turn a 9 second quarter relative to its previous setup. The real problems are the NHRA requirements for 9 and even 10 second cars. I don't want to put a full cage in, that would really detract from being a car to drive around. I don't know if swing out bars are legal for certification now and that's about the only way I'd have a full cage.
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10-19-04, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
Well let's see, any single turbo kit, almost every IC, any downpipe, almost all headlight kits, any aftermarket ECU and so on all make the car technically not street legal under federal emissions and other laws. Are you really suggesting a car has to be perfectly legal to be a street car? If so 90% of the people on this board don't have street cars. I consider any car that I can drive where I live and be pulled over by random city police and be allowed to drive away without being put on a trailer a street car.
But if you consider a "street car" any car that you can drive where you live and not be forced by the police to put it on a trailer, then you have an extremely liberal definition of the term.
If your location is anything like mine, I could drive virtually anything on the street, and as long as I had an inspection sticker (not even totally necessary) and lights, then no cop would ever force me to trailer it home. A person could literally take a dedicated racecar right off a racetrack with slicks and open exhaust, and if it had lights on it, chances are no cop around here would have a problem with it.
I'm going to bend on this topic though because it is pointless to argue the definition of something that is so subjective anyway, and I think that most people would agree with you on your definition.
"...What's the difference? Not much. Neither car could run with the dragstrip configuration and be even close to street legal or even practical, on the street..."
Bzzzt! Wrong!. The only difference? You let some air out of the rear tires at the track. It is otherwise in exactly the same trim as on the street. You just can't rip around corners but are perfectly fine at the posted limits in turns. See you don't know as much as you seem to think. I also don't think you have a clue what a welded differential and that G force tranny do.
Bzzzt! Wrong!. The only difference? You let some air out of the rear tires at the track. It is otherwise in exactly the same trim as on the street. You just can't rip around corners but are perfectly fine at the posted limits in turns. See you don't know as much as you seem to think. I also don't think you have a clue what a welded differential and that G force tranny do.
Who cares what a welded diff and G force can do. I know that the g-force is one of the few things that would keep a car from being a "street car" in your definition, because it can't be downshifted while rolling. Never mind the 8, 9, and 10 second FD's that use the stock tranny, they're all "street cars" too I guess, since they have a seat, tires, and can roll down the road.
Hey smart ***. I came in 2nd out of 96 cars in the drag race event. Including
"Neither was the tiny horizontal IC Ray had that ran 8's or the STOCK IC that Steve ran 11's with... Your point is that your IC didn't hold you back and isn't a bottleneck of any sort, which is a flawed and invalid argument anyway.
In fact, you never ran a FMIC or water IC, so the fact is you don't know that your IC wasn't holding you back."
While I do feel that I'm a pretty good driver I'm not some miracle worker, and considering in almost ten years nobody has beaten the numbers on a stock block it's a fairly valid assumption to make that there wasn't any real bottle neck on my car. If there were. people would be trouncing those numbers in similar setups without the "bottleneck".
In fact, you never ran a FMIC or water IC, so the fact is you don't know that your IC wasn't holding you back."
While I do feel that I'm a pretty good driver I'm not some miracle worker, and considering in almost ten years nobody has beaten the numbers on a stock block it's a fairly valid assumption to make that there wasn't any real bottle neck on my car. If there were. people would be trouncing those numbers in similar setups without the "bottleneck".
Let me get this back to the start of this argument and get off the tangents.
1) You seem to think that your IC really has no room for improvement. Well, with your car setup 10 years ago maybe not, but there is no way to know since you didn't try other IC setups. In my opinion only, there was likely more room for improvement with better intercooler, from my personal experience with the large M2/ASP IC. I'm replacing mine because I'm not satisfied with the performance.
2) You ran race gas at the drag strip. Most of us don't use only race gas in our cars, and the choice of intercooler is more important for us. Intake temps are more important with 93 octane (or 91 in some parts of the country) vs. 116 or whatever it was you used.
3) While it is true that a modest change in intake temperature isn't going to yield large improvements in horsepower, it is also true that higher intake temps make engine damage more likely. Since a lot of use want to drive our cars, preventing engine damage is a pretty high priority.
All that considered, the M2/ASP large leaves a lot of room for improvement for most of us. And even if you ran an 8 second 1/4 with it, no matter how much you huff and puff, it really does little to prove the effectiveness of the IC.
"Please, Kevin, find another way to validate yourself.
Wade"
ROFL. Gee I thought that's what I had been doing. Why do you think my car has been sitting for so long you idiot? Why would I post in a car forum about getting married, having 2 children, buying a gorgeous 4000 fsqft house, all the neat stuff going on with the company I own. Maybe I should go on about the live coral reef in my office. Should I be some dork that creates a website to show off my house or yammer on about having a 3.83 GPA in a degree I'm doing for my own personal satisfaction in my "spare" time? That's some of what I've been doing to feel "validated" while my car sat in the lower garage.
Wade"
ROFL. Gee I thought that's what I had been doing. Why do you think my car has been sitting for so long you idiot? Why would I post in a car forum about getting married, having 2 children, buying a gorgeous 4000 fsqft house, all the neat stuff going on with the company I own. Maybe I should go on about the live coral reef in my office. Should I be some dork that creates a website to show off my house or yammer on about having a 3.83 GPA in a degree I'm doing for my own personal satisfaction in my "spare" time? That's some of what I've been doing to feel "validated" while my car sat in the lower garage.
Is it really necessary? I don't hold you responsible - I'm sure your parents are to blame. Maybe if they'd given you more attention, or been more approving, then you wouldn't feel such a need to seek approval from others.
Wade
10-19-04, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by the_glass_man
Unless you don't to want reduce weight, heat and complication. Then no, there's no reason.
Wade
10-19-04, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Wade
I think the point was that using Kevin's logic, if he ran 125mph on stock-based twins, then there is no reason to switch to a single. It's the same logic he applies to his intercooler - if he ran such a great speed/time with the ASP/M2 Large IC, then there couldn't be room for improvement. Why use anything else?
Wade
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10-19-04, 05:19 PM
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I agree with Wade regarding Kevin's car. Although it is impressive I still find it very far from a "street car"
I also want to add that ALL of the FMIC kits I have seen from Japanese manufacturers "Blitz, greddy, hks, etc..." Are of extremely high quality whereas the M2 IC I owned along with all the other large SMIC's I have seen are shitty in comparison.
The Japanese kits take everything into consideration in terms of fitment and effectiveness. My blitz kit has a fitting to mount the AST in, where are you supposed to mount the AST with an ASP SMIC? The ASP/M2 IC I had required the fiberglass duct to be sawed in order for it to fit whereas my blitz kit fit without any modifications to the intercooler kit.
Also in comparison, most FMIC's are less expensive than the SMIC's.
Wade, what type of IC setup are you going to use now? I think switching to a front mount was a good option for me and I'm very happy with it but I'm wondering what kit you are going to use?
I also want to add that ALL of the FMIC kits I have seen from Japanese manufacturers "Blitz, greddy, hks, etc..." Are of extremely high quality whereas the M2 IC I owned along with all the other large SMIC's I have seen are shitty in comparison.
The Japanese kits take everything into consideration in terms of fitment and effectiveness. My blitz kit has a fitting to mount the AST in, where are you supposed to mount the AST with an ASP SMIC? The ASP/M2 IC I had required the fiberglass duct to be sawed in order for it to fit whereas my blitz kit fit without any modifications to the intercooler kit.
Also in comparison, most FMIC's are less expensive than the SMIC's.
Wade, what type of IC setup are you going to use now? I think switching to a front mount was a good option for me and I'm very happy with it but I'm wondering what kit you are going to use?
Originally Posted by Wade
No, I'm not suggesting a car has to be 100% legal to be considered a street car.
But if you consider a "street car" any car that you can drive where you live and not be forced by the police to put it on a trailer, then you have an extremely liberal definition of the term.
If your location is anything like mine, I could drive virtually anything on the street, and as long as I had an inspection sticker (not even totally necessary) and lights, then no cop would ever force me to trailer it home. A person could literally take a dedicated racecar right off a racetrack with slicks and open exhaust, and if it had lights on it, chances are no cop around here would have a problem with it.
I'm going to bend on this topic though because it is pointless to argue the definition of something that is so subjective anyway, and I think that most people would agree with you on your definition.
Exact same trim? So you can pick up race gas at any street corner gas station where you live? Lucky you, I have to drive an hour out of my way to get race gas.
Who cares what a welded diff and G force can do. I know that the g-force is one of the few things that would keep a car from being a "street car" in your definition, because it can't be downshifted while rolling. Never mind the 8, 9, and 10 second FD's that use the stock tranny, they're all "street cars" too I guess, since they have a seat, tires, and can roll down the road.
Well I stand corrected, I didn't realize you took 2nd place overall(?) in the event, all I remembered was that it was far off pace from what everyone expected.
Are you sure about that? I thought Ari ran in the low 10's and high 9's with a stock reman when they were first getting their red FD active in drag racing.
Let me get this back to the start of this argument and get off the tangents.
1) You seem to think that your IC really has no room for improvement. Well, with your car setup 10 years ago maybe not, but there is no way to know since you didn't try other IC setups. In my opinion only, there was likely more room for improvement with better intercooler, from my personal experience with the large M2/ASP IC. I'm replacing mine because I'm not satisfied with the performance.
2) You ran race gas at the drag strip. Most of us don't use only race gas in our cars, and the choice of intercooler is more important for us. Intake temps are more important with 93 octane (or 91 in some parts of the country) vs. 116 or whatever it was you used.
3) While it is true that a modest change in intake temperature isn't going to yield large improvements in horsepower, it is also true that higher intake temps make engine damage more likely. Since a lot of use want to drive our cars, preventing engine damage is a pretty high priority.
All that considered, the M2/ASP large leaves a lot of room for improvement for most of us. And even if you ran an 8 second 1/4 with it, no matter how much you huff and puff, it really does little to prove the effectiveness of the IC.
When I wrote "find another way to validate yourself", I meant "find a way to validate yourself, other than popping your head in to the forum periodically to brag ("please respect me"), or whine about someone copying your designs ("please give me credit"), etc.". But you missed even that, and of course didn't pass up an opportunity to boast.
Is it really necessary? I don't hold you responsible - I'm sure your parents are to blame. Maybe if they'd given you more attention, or been more approving, then you wouldn't feel such a need to seek approval from others.
Wade
But if you consider a "street car" any car that you can drive where you live and not be forced by the police to put it on a trailer, then you have an extremely liberal definition of the term.
If your location is anything like mine, I could drive virtually anything on the street, and as long as I had an inspection sticker (not even totally necessary) and lights, then no cop would ever force me to trailer it home. A person could literally take a dedicated racecar right off a racetrack with slicks and open exhaust, and if it had lights on it, chances are no cop around here would have a problem with it.
I'm going to bend on this topic though because it is pointless to argue the definition of something that is so subjective anyway, and I think that most people would agree with you on your definition.
Exact same trim? So you can pick up race gas at any street corner gas station where you live? Lucky you, I have to drive an hour out of my way to get race gas.
Who cares what a welded diff and G force can do. I know that the g-force is one of the few things that would keep a car from being a "street car" in your definition, because it can't be downshifted while rolling. Never mind the 8, 9, and 10 second FD's that use the stock tranny, they're all "street cars" too I guess, since they have a seat, tires, and can roll down the road.
Well I stand corrected, I didn't realize you took 2nd place overall(?) in the event, all I remembered was that it was far off pace from what everyone expected.
Are you sure about that? I thought Ari ran in the low 10's and high 9's with a stock reman when they were first getting their red FD active in drag racing.
Let me get this back to the start of this argument and get off the tangents.
1) You seem to think that your IC really has no room for improvement. Well, with your car setup 10 years ago maybe not, but there is no way to know since you didn't try other IC setups. In my opinion only, there was likely more room for improvement with better intercooler, from my personal experience with the large M2/ASP IC. I'm replacing mine because I'm not satisfied with the performance.
2) You ran race gas at the drag strip. Most of us don't use only race gas in our cars, and the choice of intercooler is more important for us. Intake temps are more important with 93 octane (or 91 in some parts of the country) vs. 116 or whatever it was you used.
3) While it is true that a modest change in intake temperature isn't going to yield large improvements in horsepower, it is also true that higher intake temps make engine damage more likely. Since a lot of use want to drive our cars, preventing engine damage is a pretty high priority.
All that considered, the M2/ASP large leaves a lot of room for improvement for most of us. And even if you ran an 8 second 1/4 with it, no matter how much you huff and puff, it really does little to prove the effectiveness of the IC.
When I wrote "find another way to validate yourself", I meant "find a way to validate yourself, other than popping your head in to the forum periodically to brag ("please respect me"), or whine about someone copying your designs ("please give me credit"), etc.". But you missed even that, and of course didn't pass up an opportunity to boast.
Is it really necessary? I don't hold you responsible - I'm sure your parents are to blame. Maybe if they'd given you more attention, or been more approving, then you wouldn't feel such a need to seek approval from others.
Wade
10-19-04, 05:22 PM
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My god, I had no idea how much of a flake I was dealing with. Wade go play with the other kids please or grow up if you want to actually discuss something. I'm almost embarrassed that I was responding to you based on the sophomoric drivel quoted below. Did you think I was really going to be bothered by teenage insults? I'd turn red in the face and start yelling? People try to insult based on what they expect would bother themselves and with that in mind you really have honestly pegged yourself as a fairly immature person. Forgive me but I'm going to ignore you from now on.
Kevin T. Wyum
"Is it really necessary? I don't hold you responsible - I'm sure your parents are to blame. Maybe if they'd given you more attention, or been more approving, then you wouldn't feel such a need to seek approval from others.
Wade"
Kevin T. Wyum
"Is it really necessary? I don't hold you responsible - I'm sure your parents are to blame. Maybe if they'd given you more attention, or been more approving, then you wouldn't feel such a need to seek approval from others.
Wade"
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