I'm just tired of "dicking" around with my FD...
Originally Posted by Improved FD
nah, performance doesn't have to be expensive
I'll jump on my $5k 1999 YZF-R1 and blow the doors off 90% of the FDs on this forum on any mountain road in NC
I'll jump on my $5k 1999 YZF-R1 and blow the doors off 90% of the FDs on this forum on any mountain road in NC
http://www.openwheelers.com.au/video...ll_segment.mpg
Put the fastest track bike up against the fastest 4 wheel race car and you'll see that bikes can only go so far.
Bikes are nice, cheap performance though if that's your sort of thing.
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great vid 
I just find it amusing how time after time, in car vs. bike shootouts replayed in the magazines year after year, the "bad ***" 600 hp+ street cars go home with their tail between their legs, humbled by basically a bone stock Kaw ZX-10 or whatever...a bike ANYONE can buy for $10k
and the bikes get faster and lighter every year, and the tires get grippier....check out the new YZF-R6 for '06....flat out amazing....17.5 redline, 130 hp, and 390 lbs wet I believe
but there is little question something like one of these mega go-karts that has tons of rubber on the road and ultra light weight (as in less that 1000 lbs) is going to stomp a bike, but I don't know too many people driving those on mountain roads.....perhaps that will change at some point
I just find it amusing how time after time, in car vs. bike shootouts replayed in the magazines year after year, the "bad ***" 600 hp+ street cars go home with their tail between their legs, humbled by basically a bone stock Kaw ZX-10 or whatever...a bike ANYONE can buy for $10k
and the bikes get faster and lighter every year, and the tires get grippier....check out the new YZF-R6 for '06....flat out amazing....17.5 redline, 130 hp, and 390 lbs wet I believe
but there is little question something like one of these mega go-karts that has tons of rubber on the road and ultra light weight (as in less that 1000 lbs) is going to stomp a bike, but I don't know too many people driving those on mountain roads.....perhaps that will change at some point
Which is why I said, "only street cars". The fastest race bikes only turn lap times of the lower GT class cars. The higher classes and F1's are many seconds faster. I used Monza as an example for someone last week. The Monza bike record for SBK1000 is 1:47:XXX. The F1 cars were doing 1:21:XXX. The lower class FIA GT cars were doing 1:44:XXX. So when you take the best/fastest on each side (i.e. getting the cars closer to matching the same power/weight ratio), clearly the bikes can't keep up.
Having to shift weight back and forth is not the quickest way around a course.
Having to shift weight back and forth is not the quickest way around a course.
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
Having to shift weight back and forth is not the quickest way around a course.
Originally Posted by Improved FD
it's basically all about the contact patch vs. weight....the rider leaning over doesnt have much to do with it....GT cars simply have so much rubber on the road and the weight is far less than a street car
Either way, bikes can beat up on street cars, but that's about it.
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perhaps with the success of the Elise more ultralight cars will get into production....but I doubt it....not with the safety police labeling them as "deathtraps" or whatever
although it's true you would be CRUSHED by one of these 6000 lb SUVs if you're in something like an Elise
although it's true you would be CRUSHED by one of these 6000 lb SUVs if you're in something like an Elise
Originally Posted by Improved FD
and btw mahjik, how about an update on your project, speaking of "dicking around"?
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
Blow the doors off only street cars:
http://www.openwheelers.com.au/video...ll_segment.mpg
Put the fastest track bike up against the fastest 4 wheel race car and you'll see that bikes can only go so far. Bikes are nice, cheap performance though if that's your sort of thing.
http://www.openwheelers.com.au/video...ll_segment.mpg
Put the fastest track bike up against the fastest 4 wheel race car and you'll see that bikes can only go so far.
Bikes are nice, cheap performance though if that's your sort of thing.
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Originally Posted by Improved FD
great vid
I just find it amusing how time after time, in car vs. bike shootouts replayed in the magazines year after year, the "bad ***" 600 hp+ street cars go home with their tail between their legs, humbled by basically a bone stock Kaw ZX-10 or whatever...a bike ANYONE can buy for $10k
I just find it amusing how time after time, in car vs. bike shootouts replayed in the magazines year after year, the "bad ***" 600 hp+ street cars go home with their tail between their legs, humbled by basically a bone stock Kaw ZX-10 or whatever...a bike ANYONE can buy for $10k
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Originally Posted by Yellow Man
I feel your pain, and it will be more painful for you not to have your FD. You can always replace your FD with another reliable/newer FD. I'll bet your wife is tire of you using her car. 
He actually did have a daily driver -- my old Acura Integra. But then it got stolen (because John put really cool wheels on it) and it wound up stripped in San Leandro. The car just wasn't the same afterwards, and so we sold it.
And so now, I am definitely tired of him borrowing my G35. It's the first car I've ever owned that I LOVE driving. So please encourage him to get into the garage to fix his car!
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Originally Posted by jpandes
[FROM JOHN'S WIFE] -- If I wasn't so secure in my relationship with my husband, I think I would be jealous of his relationship with his fd. He actually did have a daily driver -- my old Acura Integra. But then it got stolen (because John put really cool wheels on it) and it wound up stripped in San Leandro. The car just wasn't the same afterwards, and so we sold it.
And so now, I am definitely tired of him borrowing my G35. It's the first car I've ever owned that I LOVE driving. So please encourage him to get into the garage to fix his car!
There was a six month period when I was forced to take the stinky metro bus to work and back. I hated it but I couldn't take advantage of my wife's time and vehicle. I would suggest you force John to take the stinky bus. BTW, make sure to tell the John to leave the window down at all time because bus riders really smells bad. (Sorry John, but love has nothing to do with your wife's car)
Nice chatting with you (MRS),
Q
PS...Hey wait a minute MRS, you can't use John's account to chat with us. Get your own account lady! And what's up with all the hearts. I thought this is a place for us real tough men to chat. What's up? Take off that dress John.
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Originally Posted by Hashiriya
I actually got to drive a 350Z just this last weekend and I will say that the car feels sturdy. I tried throwing the car around corners full throttle that would have an FD tail happy and it did not want to break loose, although that may have been due to the traction control? My impressions were that the FD feels like a smaller car than it is and feels so nimble and the feeling of speed is always there, like you are driving something thats a pure sports car, the acceleration felt more rapid as well. The 350Z felt slower in every aspect but more heavy, more predictable, and definitely more forgiving. I felt like I could do no wrong with the car, which is a change from the FD, which has scared me on a few occasions.
I've also had the chance to ride in a friend's Comptech supercharged NSX, and I don't know if its because I was in the passenger seat, but it still just felt slower and less exciting than driving an FD. A stock one felt even more sluggish, but for some reason I was expecting this car to blow my hair back, which it didn't.
All in all, and I am far from being a head in the clouds FD lover that doesn't see the car's faults, I would still prefer having a FD over both a 350 or NSX for the fun factor alone.
I've also had the chance to ride in a friend's Comptech supercharged NSX, and I don't know if its because I was in the passenger seat, but it still just felt slower and less exciting than driving an FD. A stock one felt even more sluggish, but for some reason I was expecting this car to blow my hair back, which it didn't.
All in all, and I am far from being a head in the clouds FD lover that doesn't see the car's faults, I would still prefer having a FD over both a 350 or NSX for the fun factor alone.
PS...Don't tell my wife guys. She's extremely jealous. In fact, she's trying to get me to sell my FD.
Originally Posted by Improved FD
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every conversation? I don't talk bikes on this forum much at all....
at one time, I used to discuss evolution, the greatest myth ever disseminated by the human race
every conversation? I don't talk bikes on this forum much at all....
at one time, I used to discuss evolution, the greatest myth ever disseminated by the human race
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Originally Posted by jpandes
[FROM JOHN'S WIFE] -- If I wasn't so secure in my relationship with my husband, I think I would be jealous of his relationship with his fd. He actually did have a daily driver -- my old Acura Integra. But then it got stolen (because John put really cool wheels on it) and it wound up stripped in San Leandro. The car just wasn't the same afterwards, and so we sold it.
And so now, I am definitely tired of him borrowing my G35. It's the first car I've ever owned that I LOVE driving. So please encourage him to get into the garage to fix his car!
To John's Wife,
My wife feels the same way. Luckily for me she's good about it.
Every man needs their own little escape, hobby, toy call it what you will. For many of us, it is this car.
If you were closer, John, I'd come over and help you out.
Happy holidays all.
Originally Posted by eastcoastbumps
You guys make me happy that I got a job as a Lexus tech while I was in school, rather than BMW/Merc./Audi.
But then again, I'm sure you guys get plenty of business doing the Lexus 30k/60k maintenance and oil changes.
Dave
Originally Posted by dgeesaman
If anything, the BMW/Merc./Audi techs have better job security what with all the ignorant yuppies buying them and breaking them.
But then again, I'm sure you guys get plenty of business doing the Lexus 30k/60k maintenance and oil changes.
Dave
But then again, I'm sure you guys get plenty of business doing the Lexus 30k/60k maintenance and oil changes.
Dave
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FD mechanics never get bored
there is always fresh new hell to contend with in the bowels of the FD engine bay
a good reason to scrap as much superfluous crap as possible, and another reason I went non-sequential
there is always fresh new hell to contend with in the bowels of the FD engine bay
a good reason to scrap as much superfluous crap as possible, and another reason I went non-sequential
