I just had the craziest thing ive ever seen happen
10-12-03, 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by Rx-7$4$me
see, what makes me think its not my harness is one, the commander doesnt work with my PFC, but works perfectly fine with my friends.
Two, my stock ecu runs the car, it doesnt idle well at all due to the cut wires and no air pump, but it boosts fine, and runs perfectly fine past idleing.
three, it used to work, then stopped working when I did nothing but plug the commander in.
Four, This problem happened to two people on the forum. one was due to a stuck injector ( yet mine runs on the stock ecu fine )
and the others was due to a short in the PFC.
Everything points towards it does it not?
But even so, how do I go about testing my wiring harness?
see, what makes me think its not my harness is one, the commander doesnt work with my PFC, but works perfectly fine with my friends.
Two, my stock ecu runs the car, it doesnt idle well at all due to the cut wires and no air pump, but it boosts fine, and runs perfectly fine past idleing.
three, it used to work, then stopped working when I did nothing but plug the commander in.
Four, This problem happened to two people on the forum. one was due to a stuck injector ( yet mine runs on the stock ecu fine )
and the others was due to a short in the PFC.
Everything points towards it does it not?
But even so, how do I go about testing my wiring harness?
I would expect a mechanically stuck injector to present itself with the stock ECU in as well. That is, unless the PFC's injector drivers / power supply are under specified. Are you running upgraded injectors? Otherwise, everything does seem to point to the PFC.
What kind of connector does the commander have? Is it possible a pin was bent when the connector was inserted? Such a mishap could kill the PFC's internal power supply and/or datadrivers to the commander (which may be shared with other components inside) among other things. It all depends on how robustly the dataport was engineered, electrically.
Checking the harness is easy, in concept. But it's tedious work. You'll have to get yourself a continuity tester, disconnect everything (ECU & sensors), and check for continuity between the ECU side of the harness and the other side where it connects to various sensors. It'll be a big time investment.
If you're worried about the PFC install, you'll have to wait for someone who's done this before to respond.
10-13-03, 02:49 AM
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well, I didnt cut the wires to begin with, and just had the pins cut. With this, the car ran great for 5 days. When the problem happened, I was told that I mgiht have not cujt the pins well enough, so I cut the wires tehn to make sure.
Exactly as I was saying about the stuck injector. And Im running stock injectors. I guess I'll wait till I get the word on my ecu condition and either end my problems, or move on from my current stand point.
Exactly as I was saying about the stuck injector. And Im running stock injectors. I guess I'll wait till I get the word on my ecu condition and either end my problems, or move on from my current stand point.
10-13-03, 10:31 AM
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i was there with the other car (mikes) and it wasnt a faulty injector. We tried three different ones in there. What it ended up being if i remember correctly, he forgot to cut those 2 or 3 wires in the harness before installing his PFC. PM benjamin or jason93rx7r1 for more details as they were there from page one.
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10-13-03, 07:54 PM
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Ok, I looked at the datalogit website. It looks like the commander uses mini DIN connectors (like s-video does). One of the power pins on the commander may have bent when you inserted it into the PFC. I could see something like that easily killing the whole thing.
10-14-03, 01:13 AM
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I was actually thinking about getting a haltech if my wiring harness is fubared. But im really a beginner when it comes to tuning... how hard is it to just put the haltech in and have the car just run a base map like the power fc does?
10-14-03, 01:14 AM
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Gideon the only problem wtih your theory is that the power FC was plugged in and working properly. When this all started I didnt unplug any of it, all I did was plug the commander in.....
10-14-03, 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by Rx-7$4$me
Gideon the only problem wtih your theory is that the power FC was plugged in and working properly. When this all started I didnt unplug any of it, all I did was plug the commander in.....
Gideon the only problem wtih your theory is that the power FC was plugged in and working properly. When this all started I didnt unplug any of it, all I did was plug the commander in.....
I know you said the PFC was working before. I'm saying it may be possible a bent pin on the *commander* connection may be at fault.
10-14-03, 04:11 AM
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im definetly not a power fc expert by any means, but i know that you have to pull some pins are different version (for a/c i think). Is there any way Rx-7$4$me could have pulled a wrong pin or two and fucked something up that way?
And for that matter, can someone tell me why after tons of money and years of research we are having to pull pins? Or does apexi just have a bunch of monkeys on an assembly line putting this **** together.
And for that matter, can someone tell me why after tons of money and years of research we are having to pull pins? Or does apexi just have a bunch of monkeys on an assembly line putting this **** together.
10-14-03, 09:39 AM
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Well, I got a sheet with the FC that told me exactly which pins need to be removed. I followed it perfectly, double tripple quadruple checked it, and cut the exact same wires ( keep in mind I cut the wires AFTER this all started happening because the theory was brought up that I didnt cut the pins well enough ) so I double cancelled that potential problem.
Inis I know that our power FC's are the exact same ones the japanese get as well. However, our cars have more emissions crap, and im sure those pins controll different things on the japanese cars due to their different emissions setups resulting in us having to cut pins so our cars wont run like ***.
Inis I know that our power FC's are the exact same ones the japanese get as well. However, our cars have more emissions crap, and im sure those pins controll different things on the japanese cars due to their different emissions setups resulting in us having to cut pins so our cars wont run like ***.
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