And all it needed was the worthless opinion of a 17-year-old as the pièce de résistance, huh?

 

oops,. I meant lap speeds not trap...

 

Well, the editors/drivers of Motortrend do speak pretty highly of it at least, and they were even saying that the Supra had an edge due to being a bit faster in the straights. Even then One of the two drivers pulled a faster lap in the FD noting the "advantage" the supra had,

"The Supra's acceleration advantage gives it a tiny edge on the race track, though the margine is so small ( small but still there no?) , one of our two race drivers got around faster in the Rx-7 then the toyota turbo. If you could chop and channel the long straight from the track, it's likely the RX-7 would RETAIN its king of the hot lappers title."

Yeah, I'm not too familiar with One Lap , but I do know that it, in my opinion, it really isn't really right to use it as a arguementative force in this discussion, simply because its modded/tuned cars. If people dont like the magazine results of the FD vs. the FD, I dont understand why they think that a modded battle is going to be better suited as it just destroys the whole idea of a controlled race. And people who have more experience/money are going to........ bleh,... theres just too many variables.

The magazine articles are where the lines should be drawn, and the supra does pull better numbers, but the RX-7 still managed to pull a faster lap speed.

In the end, they're nothing but great respectable cars.

 

Oh and to lighten this up a bit with somthing I noticed as Im reading the article you quoted jim.

quote ....

. :-( Eric decided to have some fun and film my misery w/ his camcorder, rubbing it in about how the reliable Supra gets towed home whereas the Rx7 drove home. Bastard. ;-) j/k.

laugh people!~

 

If anyone is going to have an argument about numbers and another guy walks in with bigger numbers you must admit you lost. If you don't accept the other guy's numbers for whatever reason then you're saying numbers don't matter so much or they can be misleading. If that is the case why would you trumpet numbers in the first place?

 

Because they're only "good" numbers if they support your personal bias.

 

Guys don't forget that with new technology tyres(2004 compared to the 1993 tec tyres used to the test) 1-1.1g's are easy to hit on the racetrack even with a honda civic....

 

Why do you own an FD Jim? It's clear that you think the supra is a superior car (I'm not arguing that it is or isn't). You can certainly get huge power out of the engine, or swap a V8 in to it as easily as the 7 if you prefer NA power. With all the money that you have thrown at your FD, the higher priced supra is surely attainable. Is it because you like the FD better? Is it funner to drive (from what you remember anyway )? Is it a better platform/chassis to modify? What is it?

 

The first set of numbers that Jim posted and the second both come from Motor Trend. It looks like all they did was reuse the number fo some cars and added a couple more. In regards to just the Supra and the 7 since they are the exact same. Sort of like a repeat of the same information, but doesn't strengthen the Supra side of the discussion. Having C&D and R&T producing similiar results does. Granted I only read the first and last page of the thread and if someone already stated this, sorry for not bothering to read the entire thread I like both cars. Going back to the good old days of IMSA, seeing the RX-7 of Sylvain Trembley doing a number on the Chuck Goldsboro Supra in 98 at Daytona was nice, then the same thing at Road Atlanta in 98 (and pretty much the whole year). Stock for stock, the supra wins in most areas, modified, who cares or who spent the most?

Tim

 

BTW,

I only wish for 2 things at X-mas every year. One is to have a 20B in the FD since I've taken a ride in one. The second is to be adopted by Jim and be in line to inherit the money he has so I can then get the 20B Again call it lazy, in the thread where we were guessing your age, did you drop any information about being married and having kids? Just wondering dad

Tim

 

Guess which is which...

Road & Track - April 1992
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/m...k_article4.jpg
0-60: 5.5 seconds
1/4 mi: 14.0 @ 98.5
Skidpad: 0.94g
Slalom: 64.9 mph
60-0: 123 feet

Road & Track - March 1993
http://www.mkiv.com/publications/roa...3/rt393_06.jpg
0-60: 5.0 seconds
1/4 mi: 13.5 @ 107
Skidpad: 0.98g
Slalom: 66.0 mph
60-0: 120 feet

 

Because I bought one and it hasn't left yet.

If you think that's what this is about, you're way off base. The Supra certainly has a lot of strengths, but it also has shortcomings, just like any car. There just aren't as many as FD owners who fixate on things like curb weight and distribution would like to believe, and I get no end of satisfaction out of bursting their bubbles.

I'm not saying that I think the Supra is superior, although it certainly was in many ways. I'm pointing out that the FD isn't. I've never seen so many excuses made for a car in my life. The dedication is commendable, but the delusion that accompanies it borders on lunacy and it lost its entertainment value a long, long time ago.

It certainly was. Meet my daily driver from January 1999 to September 2001...



Any hot-rodder knows that it's better to start with a lightweight chassis than trying to diet your way down. Any hot-rodder knows it's better to start with a car with a well-sorted suspension rather than have to correct geometry yourself. Past that point, I've just been replacing everything Mazda fucked up.

 

you have to at least agree that this thread is quite worthless.

 

The same could be said for the majority of your posts.

 

Now that's info that backs up info. Good job...dad.

Tim

 

It's funny how noone has mentioned the countless stories of Toyota bumping up the power of the Supra for those tests.

Or the fact that it's the same R1 that has been pounded for over a year. Did they put new rubber on it for the other tests?

You know something? I just don't give a **** anymore. I like my FD because it looks sexy and love the interior feel. Power and handling can always be (and for most of us will be) modified for your tastes. I looked and looked and looked at Supras before getting the FD because I knew they were fast, and being a Toyota they were surely more reliable than a Mazduh. I could have gotten a 94 6sp black on black with about 40k something miles back in 98 for around $20k. But I didn't because I fell in Love with the 7

I don't regret my decision. I think numbers are pointless because with us, they will most likely change

 

If anyone wants to know what happens to a Z06 VS an Rx-7 on a road course when you put a 20b in the 7 take a look at the C & D supercar challenge of a few years ago... None of the twin turbo Z06's and corvettes could even come close to the time the PFS Rx-7 was able to acheive.

 

If i'm not mistaken this was in no small way due to Peter Farrells racing background.

Matthew Walsh

 

PLEASE...every single company that entered a car had the chance to put ANYONE they want in the car.

It wasn't even close enough to be a drivers race.

 

ok, now i'm sure you're an *******. At first i thought maybe you were just fed up with people yelling at you for putting a V8 in your car and consequently seemed more bitter, but you are really just an *******.

the majority of my posts are technical advice in the 2nd gen forum. rarely do i give bad advice or an incorrect diagnosis. but i'm sure that your last post was just to get a rise out of me. Well, this is all you'll get. There's no doubt in my mind that you're either lying to **** me off or haven't actually read the majority of my posts.

 

Yeah, I read a few of your deeply technical posts...

 

There it is. The main reason Jim continues to "contribute" to our forum