well after getting rid of the S2000 i got another FD from a forum member here.

let alone it need some work including a ECU managment system for the mods.






this was my S2k before trading it.

 

I like it!

 

niice man, looking good, congrats on the purchase. made the same switch myself from an new formula red ap1 to a montego blue fd after my s was totalled last summer (turbo, secondary fuel rail, fuel leak, boom). miss the top down but fortunately have the sunroof. very satisfied with the switch though, feels very similar to the s. looking forward to seeing the progress.

 

I've always been curious, but what would you say about the handling between the two?

 

x2

 

MB looking clean as always. Congratts!

 

I have to be honest the S handled much better that the FD on just skunk 2 springs.

The steering is 10x more responsive.

The S2k I had had the ap2 F22c1 swap, Apexi n1 3", v2 cai, invidia test pipe and that's all the guy got. That S was depreciating 500$ every month. And I saw a 16yr old wrap one around a highway entrance median trying to drift. So just to say S2ks were getting bad rep for dumb racers like civics out here in Vegas.

 

I do have a question the ECU thing. Do I need a aftermarket managmebt for the Apexi intake fmic street port jic exhaust when I'm running stock turbos stock boost and stock injectors?

 

A close friend of mine has a well sorted S2k. 340whp and quality suspension. It is an impressive car. ALWAYS a big fan of Honda.

 

2 great cars but you will miss the reliability of your s2k. I would have tried to have both but i think if you only needed one car, it might have been a bad choice to go FD. BUt then again i dont know your financial status and it gets quite hot in vegas so good luck either way.

 

agreed, the s has a tighter steering ratio and the electronic power steering makes the wheel turn effortlessly. very similar though. i also looked into the fd for something that woud hold its value, s2000's you can get for 8 grand these days, soon they will be the new civic and we will see these cars completely hacked apart, if we havent seen enough already.

 

I have to admit they are pretty good. There was an S2K group at hanging out at Tsukuba the day I went for my first drive there. They came like professionals with track suits, 3 rolling toolboxes, generators, stacks of tires etc. The only one that was really intimidating was the white widebody slathered with carbon fiber. I snagged a pic of the group here:


The widebody was certainly faster. I was surprised that we were dead even on the back straight, but on the last corner he had me. I couldn't keep up.

 

The FJ20 engines are amazing.... easily see 5-600whp from nothing more than a thicker head gasket. Jeff tuned my friends car. After perusing his site, it was obvious that these cars consistently put down serious numbers on stock internals.... Combined with such good handling, they are an enthusiast's dream.

http://dynos.evans-tuning.com/2011/0...onda-flashpro/

 

Yea I've heard of Jeff. I actually came back from an s2ki meet. Great cars. It's seems like its so cheap for them to hit 400+ hp now.

 

[QUOTE=XLR8;10616743]The FJ20 engines are amazing.... easily see 5-600whp from nothing more than a thicker head gasket. Jeff tuned my friends car. After perusing his site, it was obvious that these cars consistently put down serious numbers on stock internals.... QUOTE]

not true. a thicker head gasket is no more than a safety net on the f20/f22c motors. the cylinder walls are so close together chances of the gasket blowing apart are very high. the cars are a lot of fun with a turbo but with the reliability of our fd's. the only proper way to build a turbo s2000 is building the bottom end for low compression which is a lot of money on top of everything else needed for the build. some day maybe...

 

The funny thing is this guy didn't even need a turbo to keep up with me on the straights. hahaha. I would hate to see what happens if he actually had a turbo.

 

[QUOTE=skem;10616842]What is "not true" about my statement? I said nothing of a "proper" way. Just that it is done.

Obviously the proper way to build any turbo piston engine is with low compression pistons. However, speaking to Jeff Evans personally, who has tuned MANY S2K's with this setup, they are fairly reliable. He told me that in the beginning he of course always discouraged the head gasket method of lowering compression. But as kits were released with such a method, and as he continued to tune them, he found that it worked quite well with that engine.

 

Sorry, you are right. In my opinion though its not very reliable. The head gaskets usually last between 10 and 20k miles. One persons view on reliability may be not destroying the engine, despite having to replace the gasket over time. I'm sure they've lasted longer too, I just remember the average life doesn't exceed 20k. Anyways, back on topic, sorry op.

 

glad to hear your back in an FD, funny thing is i just picked up an 05 AP2 for the summer. but by no means is the FD going anywhere.

 

No problem lol but to my original question nobody answered about the ecu. Do I need a ecu for the mods I listed?

Street port
fmic
Apexi intakes
jic bullet exhaust
stock turbos
stock injectors
stock boost

 

No, but it will give you room to grow when you decide to modify it.

 

With the street port you should really add an ecu and fuel mods.

 

Isn't fuel only for bigger turbo?

 

porting the motor will allow for more airflow, which needs more fuel to meet ideal AFR's. i would suggest a power FC along with 1300CC secondary injectors and and upgraded fuel pump.

 

No. Street port= more air flowing= need more fuel = need ecu to handle more fuel. Power fc is the most commonly used and tuned in an fd. Just get some bigger secondaries and get a power fc then a tune and youll be good to go.

Edit: what he said ^^