SleepR1

Interesting proposition. Can I keep my A/C LOL I'll have to keep that idea in mind.

Best of luck with your V-mount. I think as more FD owners get them, it will be THE IC choice for discriminating FD owners.

rotaryextreme

iTrader: (2)

Lack of ducting? I think you are mistaken. There is ducting. Ask the people who have it. Everything is pretty much completely sealed.

Chuck Huang

rotaryextreme

iTrader: (2)

Yes, you can keep your A/C.

You need to relocate the battery to the back. The Greddy 2 row IC core is about 24" long so even the small battery will not fit. Battery has to go.

I will cut off the end tanks of the Greddy 2 row and make a custom end tank for it. The end tanks on there do not work.

Anyways, email me and I will quote you a price to convert your IC and radiator into vmount along with all the other brackets, silicone hose, hardware, etc to make it a bolt-on installation. Once yours is done, I will offer this service to anyone, including modifying the M2/ASP into Vmounts so more people can enjoy the benefit of vmount without worry about selling their current setup.

Chuck Huang

SleepR1

This is getting more interesting. What about power steering? Will that stay?

Sounds like you've just developed a new niche market, Chuck! FMIC/SMIC-to-VMIC conversions

Based on ZeroR's response in the other thread, the A-spec guys had done an ASP Large to V-mount conversion already?

I will keep this in mind.

I think the next step for my FMIC setup's development is to get a vented hood and GTC nose, and hope the increased air speed/volume in/out of the engine bay stabilizes water temps @ Putnam Park during an 85-ish F day (Putnam Park is the only track that's brutal on my car, b/c that track is short and fast).

Personlly, I'd be happy if the water temps with a GTC nose and Extreme Dimensions vented hood stablilized water temps between 105 C and 110 C (221 F and 230 F, respectively)!

If the GTC nose and vented hood don't stabilize water temps like I'd hoped with FMIC, that would be the time to convert to V-mount.

PaulyDee

Sorry for the misunderstanding, in all the pictures on the site it was hard to see any ducting. Thanks for the reply.

PMD

DamonB

Can't we just see some pics?

SleepR1

Formula Vee? Isn't that a soapbox derby car with a 57-hp air-cooled VW motor in it LOL ?

matty

i want to make the snorkel opening bigger...anyone do this...any tips?

matty

i bought my m2 intercooler used. The previous owner trimmed the duct altitle. He said it made it easier to intall and remove. Its not trimmed alot at all but i do want to extend the the opening a bit. I was going to simply JB weld some plastic to the bootm of the snorkel...any other ideas?

matty

Damn Wael has spun out at a track event i was at too...lol.

KevinK2

helps to extend forward/down the the lower side of the duct opening. I rivited some aluminum flashing.

small duct inlet only hurts M2 on sustained runs like drivers ed, and a fan (max cooper) will reduce heat soak in traffic, or when stagging, esp if sync'd with rad fans.

either custom rad, or lowering the top of the rad, will allow a much deeper snout. minimum net snout size would be about 40% of the core face area.

matty

riveted some aluminum,whats that mean? How to you adhere it to the duct?

rotaryextreme

iTrader: (2)

Nothing gets removed. Everything stays. Power Steering stays.

I don't know is Aspec is going to offer the service to convert ASP/M2 IC to vmount. Maybe people who are interested can ask them.

I can pretty much convert any IC to Vmount as long as the IC core fits inside the engine bay. I will cut off the end tanks on them and make new end tank and piping. The only thing that's reused is the IC core itself.
On the radiator part, the end tanks will be modified with new piping for vmount application and you will be given with new mounting hardware for the radiator.

Chuck Huang

PVerdieck

Damon, look at this:


That is the same as the one I am installing now. There are 3 shields.

One of them attaches from the left side of the IC, extends to just inside the bottom of the airbox. The airbox sits on the left frame, and the that gives you your Radiator/frame/airbox/shield/IC left side seal. You can see a tiny bit of this shield in the pic above, kind of triangular, bordered by a wireloom, the IC side and the airbox

The second shield connects to the top of the IC, and goes forward to the nose. That is your front shield.

The 3rd shield you can't see. it covers the gap from the AC drier back, is angles and mounts to the right back side of the IC, and extends to the right under the battery box.

The joint of the V is the IC sitting on the radiator. Although I will probably have to put a little something in there, since it isn't exactly airtight.

SleepR1

Great pic, is that Chuck's kit?

PVerdieck

Yeah, on someone else's car. That is the one for the stock twins, with Chuck's airbox, and Chuck's battery miniaturization kit.

Fatman0203

If your water temps dont go high with a Front Mount? Then why spend money on a V mount?

Kevin T. Wyum

An optional extension to the duct actually comes with the kit already. I think M2 stopped including them awhile back but they are in the kits now that it's back to ASP. It's a scoop that connects to the lower lip of the main duct and ends up taking about half of the area of the main radiator/IC opening. The nice part about it is if your car runs too hot with it you can always remove it to allow more air back to the radiator. It allows you to shift about 50% of the total airflow from the nose of the car through the IC. People have always been so worried about air to the radiators that the lower scoop wasn't used as often.

If someone wants to actually organize it and handle shipping stuff I could probably get my fiberglass guy to make a mess of them cheap for people that bought them as M2 when it was left out. I'll try to find some pictures of it installed.

Kevin T. Wyum

SleepR1

For most street-driven FDs with FMIC (given the geography is NOT in a desert climate), this is probably the case.

It's only when you're open tracking (hard) do the water temps climb steadily with FMIC.

This is b/c you're in the boost often @ an open tracking event. With 45 C peak air intake temps, the motor is making good power @ 10 to 12 psi boost. Good power generates heat. The cooling system has to lose that heat, and stay ahead of the heat generation caused by the good power levels. With warm ambient temps, the cooling system will quickly lag, and water temps rise over the course of the run session (in my experience up to 120 C, 248 F with 80-ish F ambient temps).

Conversely, SMICs with 70 to 80 C air intake temps, the motor is NOT making as good power with 10 to 12 psi boost compared with FMIC. The heat generation is not as high, and the cooling system doesn't lag as much with SMIC compared with FMIC. Eventually water temps will climb to unacceptably high levels (120 C or 248 F), it just takes longer with SMIC.

But...my FMIC equipped FD vs an ASP large equipped FD set at the same boost level, will run away from the ASP SMIC equipped FD out on track within the alotted 20-25 minute run group session.

My friend Jim (with an ASP large SMIC), who is a fellow PCA instructor tried to stay with me during our run group session. After a few laps, I was gone.

Jim thought he had a chance in staying within striking distance, since I was carrying a passenger, and he was not.

Nothin's free. Go fast and generate some heat. Run cool, but go slower...

I'd rather run fast, than slow. If I have to be slow to run cool, I'd rather sit in the paddock.

Perhaps that Extreme Dimensions vented hood is all I need to keep from hitting 120 C water temps @ open track days (with 80-ish F ambient temps)?

matty

i want the extension duct.

anyone else?

Kevin T. Wyum

This was the guy with duct that didn't line up, had pipes that kept blowing off, overheated and blew a motor amongst other things and you're using him as the supposed base line to compare to? You know as well as I do that your example isn't a fair comparison. To claim conclusions based on that is silly. I don't want to start another flame thread but this is getting a bit over the top.

Kevin T. Wyum

rynberg

Manny, I have a smallish SMIC (PFS) and the hottest air temps I've ever seen on the track were low to mid 60s C, and that was on a near 100 F day at 13 psi. My last two track days in the 50s F had intake temps in the 40s C range.

I just don't think the compromises of an FMIC justify the lower air temps. For me, it's either SMIC or V-mount.

matty

smic with bigger duct!

Kevin, I started a thread, the results are pretty lackluster...so far noone is interested. That absolutely boggles my mind. I pmed you but got no response.....do u have an extra aroubnd anywhere that i can buy?

SleepR1

Jim has attended to his defects with the ASP setup. Those problems were from 2 years ago. Maybe I'm just a better driver? That's rather presumptive of me, so I'll say it's the FMIC that allows to leave Jim in the dust

I'm not worthy of your flammage. Save that for another vendor. I think ZeroR could be next on your hit list. He converted your ASP large to V-mount--blaspemer!

SleepR1

Not here to sell people on FMIC. Just here to say that I chose FMIC with no regrets.