FMIC not good with twins???? SMIC - heater??
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FMIC not good with twins???? SMIC - heater??
went to a specialist and thats what i've been told, i have asked about installing FMIC(please dont say "go v-mount" as this is 2 much for my budget) but he said its not good for twins - could someone explain why?
then i said ok so maybe i'll try going for SMIC, ill buy one of them cheap IC's (xs-power for example or anything in this price range), make some ducting and ill have some decent IC he went that instead of cooling they actually heat air ant thats no good - i think WTF?? is v-mount the only way? i am not going single turbo even in future and if i will ill worry about that later,i want to stay with twins, nearly everything else has been done all i need is PFC,Midpipe,IC and then good mapping - dont want nothing more.
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then i said ok so maybe i'll try going for SMIC, ill buy one of them cheap IC's (xs-power for example or anything in this price range), make some ducting and ill have some decent IC he went that instead of cooling they actually heat air ant thats no good - i think WTF?? is v-mount the only way? i am not going single turbo even in future and if i will ill worry about that later,i want to stay with twins, nearly everything else has been done all i need is PFC,Midpipe,IC and then good mapping - dont want nothing more.
suggestions?
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your "specialist" is trying to rip you off.
while he is 50% correct, he is misleading you on FMIC and SMIC's.
either i/c setup will work just fine with the stock twins.
an SMIC is good because it doesn't block the radiator and is still able to cool the charge air. but it heats up after prolonged boosting which they can still do their job rather effectively.
an FMIC is good because they offer the best cooling because it is in direct path to incoming air. except the radiator will not cool much but its only a slight rise im temps.
the overall setup for you would really have to depend on cost.
including piping:
FMIC - between $800-1,500+ for a good efficient setup used or not.
SMIC - between $400-1000 depending on its size and if its used or not.
either way, you'll make a bit more power with either setups as the stock i/c is mostly called a heater/heatsink etc.
and since you want cost effectiveness, get a SMIC.
while he is 50% correct, he is misleading you on FMIC and SMIC's.
either i/c setup will work just fine with the stock twins.
an SMIC is good because it doesn't block the radiator and is still able to cool the charge air. but it heats up after prolonged boosting which they can still do their job rather effectively.
an FMIC is good because they offer the best cooling because it is in direct path to incoming air. except the radiator will not cool much but its only a slight rise im temps.
the overall setup for you would really have to depend on cost.
including piping:
FMIC - between $800-1,500+ for a good efficient setup used or not.
SMIC - between $400-1000 depending on its size and if its used or not.
either way, you'll make a bit more power with either setups as the stock i/c is mostly called a heater/heatsink etc.
and since you want cost effectiveness, get a SMIC.
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Who did you speak with Lucas?
The only way I can see a FMIC being "bad" with the twins is if it has a high pressure drop, in which case ANY intercooler would be "bad" since it would require the twins to work much harder (e.g. outside of their efficiency range) to make decent boost...
The only way I can see a FMIC being "bad" with the twins is if it has a high pressure drop, in which case ANY intercooler would be "bad" since it would require the twins to work much harder (e.g. outside of their efficiency range) to make decent boost...
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Who did you speak with Lucas?
The only way I can see a FMIC being "bad" with the twins is if it has a high pressure drop, in which case ANY intercooler would be "bad" since it would require the twins to work much harder (e.g. outside of their efficiency range) to make decent boost...
The only way I can see a FMIC being "bad" with the twins is if it has a high pressure drop, in which case ANY intercooler would be "bad" since it would require the twins to work much harder (e.g. outside of their efficiency range) to make decent boost...
spoken to a man at hayward rotary and this is what he said...
basically i know how they work etc but maybe there is some kinda IC i need to avoid? (talking about them cheap ones)
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There are plus and minus to each setup and that horse was beaten to death a long time ago. Check the FAQ thread and the Archives for old and still relevant threads on that debate.
The ebay SMIC isn't the best b/c there is no readily available duct and that is crucial for the SMIC to function properly. Otherwise the radiator will be heating the IC.
I had a Greddy FMIC and hated it. Car ran too hot and was always heat soaked and packaging was a serious PITA. Switching to a SMIC had boost come on 500 RPM sooner, air temps were slightly higher (not enough to affect performance with the small amount of mods I had) however coolant temps were much lower (very good). I was happier with the SMIC. I'm happier still with my Vmount.
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A well constructed and well ducted SMIC will fit your needs well. Don't underestimate the duct. You can find plenty of good SMIC with ducts used here on the forum should you choose to go that route.
The ebay SMIC isn't the best b/c there is no readily available duct and that is crucial for the SMIC to function properly. Otherwise the radiator will be heating the IC.
I had a Greddy FMIC and hated it. Car ran too hot and was always heat soaked and packaging was a serious PITA. Switching to a SMIC had boost come on 500 RPM sooner, air temps were slightly higher (not enough to affect performance with the small amount of mods I had) however coolant temps were much lower (very good). I was happier with the SMIC. I'm happier still with my Vmount.
IMO - Keep It Simple S...
A well constructed and well ducted SMIC will fit your needs well. Don't underestimate the duct. You can find plenty of good SMIC with ducts used here on the forum should you choose to go that route.
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Though, on the other hand... the stock IC is pretty much crap, and is pretty prone to heat soaking, so if you needed to (for a kitchen pass, per se) you may be able to get away with calling it reliability.
The primary reliability mods though are as follows:
Boost Gauge
DP
Radiator
AST
Vac/Coolant line replacements
Beyond that (somebody please add on if I've forgotten something) it's pretty much leaving the "stock" world, and going into mods that aren't really necessary unless you want to increase the car beyond it's factory capabilities.
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I was trying to explain this to you. On one hand an intercooler upgrade can be viewed as a reliability upgrade. This is because cooler air is denser and is less likely to cause detonation. However, with the upgraded intercooler you will be able to run higher boost so the small gain in reliability is voided. The stock intercooler can fail and split at the end tanks. Worst case you get a boost leak and replace it. The main reasons people upgrade the intercooler is to be able to run higher boost.
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Haha thanks. If you are going to be running moderate boost then you might be better off with a stock mount intercooler. I actually installed one of the ebay ones in a customer's car last month and it came with a duct. Worked pretty well. If you want a front mount the Blitz is very nice if you can find it and fit it in your budget. Otherwise a greddy 2 row will work fine for your application. Name brand stock mounts like M2, Pettit, or any of the copies work well too.
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i was thinking of Petit coolcharge III but6 they r damn expensive, i have found something likie this for FMIC
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAZDA-RX7-FD3S...QQcmdZViewItem
or on of them cxracing ones for SMIC(big ones) and making some ducting for them or going for a good 2nd hand smic
but has anyone used those ebay ones before(i know some people have but with what effects?)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAZDA-RX7-FD3S...QQcmdZViewItem
or on of them cxracing ones for SMIC(big ones) and making some ducting for them or going for a good 2nd hand smic
but has anyone used those ebay ones before(i know some people have but with what effects?)
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there was one guy that emailed me couple of months ago saying hes got this IC -its a straight fit and apparently works really well (he said he has got 30-40 degrease on the motorway - i dont know if its good or not as i never had pfc and cant compare it to nothing)the thing is i dont know if he was saying it only coz he had one for sale or if he actually ment it..i have lost his email and cant ask him again..
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The new Koyo "N" pass radiator resolves the FMIC heating issue.
I have no cooling problems with my Blitz FMIC, Koyo "N" pass, and GT35R 16psi boost engine here in Houston during summer.
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I have no cooling problems with my Blitz FMIC, Koyo "N" pass, and GT35R 16psi boost engine here in Houston during summer.
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