Fire extinguishers
12-06-05, 02:22 PM
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Ok we got 10 ppl, so I think that's enough to request a group buy be set up by the admins. I'll email 'em and post the link to the new thread here if/when it's approved.
All I ask is:
1) Patience. I won't be calling H3R until the 14th or 15th.
2) Committment. Usually about 10% - 15% of all who posted interest come through. Needless to say, with 10 ppl that's not a group buy haha. But we'll try and make do with what we have. And hopefully more details including a price + shipping will help make ppl make decisions, as well as generate more interest.
Thanks
~Ramy
All I ask is:
1) Patience. I won't be calling H3R until the 14th or 15th.
2) Committment. Usually about 10% - 15% of all who posted interest come through. Needless to say, with 10 ppl that's not a group buy haha. But we'll try and make do with what we have. And hopefully more details including a price + shipping will help make ppl make decisions, as well as generate more interest.
Thanks
~Ramy
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12-06-05, 02:38 PM
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I have mine sitting on the center devider behind my seat, always. I have learned my lesson with my chevelle. I flodded it once, then procedded to jam a skrewdriver in the carb to keep ithe butterflies open while someone tried to turn it over........Pop....huge fireball and no more eyebrows.
12-06-05, 03:00 PM
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Center divider is plastic. In an accident/impact, that flimsy plastic divider is likely to crack, allowing the metal bracket to come free, and the (heavy) extinguisher and the bracket still attached (possibly w/ fragments of plastic too) to come flying through the cockpit. You've essentially set up a nice missle for yourself in your car...and depending on the angle of the impact, it may go straight out the front, bounce off a bunch of objects, or even head directly for one of the cockpit's occupants.
Even if it hits something else, having an 8 lb metal bottle flying around loose in the cockpit (in an accident, rollever, what have you) is a great way to walk around w/ no teeth...
Again, securing an extinguisher to ANYTHING plastic is a HORRIBLE idea. If you have a rollbar or a rear harness bar, that spot's ideal (as a mounting point), but depending on the setup, may not be quite as accessible.
Again, we come full circle, hands down, the best, most accessible, and safest/most secure mounting point is on the seat rail, right behind the passenger's feet.
Even if it hits something else, having an 8 lb metal bottle flying around loose in the cockpit (in an accident, rollever, what have you) is a great way to walk around w/ no teeth...
Again, securing an extinguisher to ANYTHING plastic is a HORRIBLE idea. If you have a rollbar or a rear harness bar, that spot's ideal (as a mounting point), but depending on the setup, may not be quite as accessible.
Again, we come full circle, hands down, the best, most accessible, and safest/most secure mounting point is on the seat rail, right behind the passenger's feet.
12-06-05, 04:32 PM
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Oh, what a terrible time to start a GB. My wallet is so very light at the moment. I just can't wait for the holidays to be over. In due time, I'd say I'll be interested in a GB for this.
12-06-05, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FDNewbie
Center divider is plastic. In an accident/impact, that flimsy plastic divider is likely to crack, allowing the metal bracket to come free, and the (heavy) extinguisher and the bracket still attached (possibly w/ fragments of plastic too) to come flying through the cockpit. You've essentially set up a nice missle for yourself in your car...and depending on the angle of the impact, it may go straight out the front, bounce off a bunch of objects, or even head directly for one of the cockpit's occupants.
Even if it hits something else, having an 8 lb metal bottle flying around loose in the cockpit (in an accident, rollever, what have you) is a great way to walk around w/ no teeth...
Again, securing an extinguisher to ANYTHING plastic is a HORRIBLE idea. If you have a rollbar or a rear harness bar, that spot's ideal (as a mounting point), but depending on the setup, may not be quite as accessible.
Again, we come full circle, hands down, the best, most accessible, and safest/most secure mounting point is on the seat rail, right behind the passenger's feet.
Even if it hits something else, having an 8 lb metal bottle flying around loose in the cockpit (in an accident, rollever, what have you) is a great way to walk around w/ no teeth...
Again, securing an extinguisher to ANYTHING plastic is a HORRIBLE idea. If you have a rollbar or a rear harness bar, that spot's ideal (as a mounting point), but depending on the setup, may not be quite as accessible.
Again, we come full circle, hands down, the best, most accessible, and safest/most secure mounting point is on the seat rail, right behind the passenger's feet.
Dont worry, I have already thought of that. I made a metal bracket that fits under the plastic devider and mounts to the floor, thanks for the concern though.
12-06-05, 04:58 PM
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Robbyah, realistically speaking, by the time I call them get a price, then wait for enough ppl to sign up/put a deposit/etc, and the thread gets a good number of looks, it'll be so close to the holidays that to actually get any orders processed and anything shipped in any reliable form, you're looking at early January. So rest assured, there will be time. 
Group buys don't start up and end within 24 hrs hehe
~Ramy
Group buys don't start up and end within 24 hrs hehe~Ramy
12-06-05, 07:46 PM
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ill be in if this goes sometime in january. also, how difficult would it be to make something kind of like what you were saying, with one bottle mounted in the trunk that feeds to under the hood and a contol switch in the dash?
12-06-05, 09:52 PM
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JebenKurac, I wouldn't try designing or installing an extinguisher system on your own. If you mess up or place the nozzels in the wrong (non-critical) areas, it's worthless. And this isn't something that (IMO) any Joe Schmoe can just guess at; it's something that someone w/ years of experience w/ an FD could tell you are the most critical and prone areas to fires. Take it to a pro shop and do it right. This is your life and your car's life we're talking about. Not the time for "lets save a few dollars and ghetto rig it" time, IMHO.
~Ramy
PS: You're in NJ and NC? Mitch Piper's shop is in Northern VA...not far from either. Take your FD there. Mitch is a master fabricator. He fabricates full tube chassis cars from the ground up, as well as race preps anything from FBs and Miatas to Porsches.
~Ramy
PS: You're in NJ and NC? Mitch Piper's shop is in Northern VA...not far from either. Take your FD there. Mitch is a master fabricator. He fabricates full tube chassis cars from the ground up, as well as race preps anything from FBs and Miatas to Porsches.
12-07-05, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FDNewbie
Heath, not trying to be an a$$, but believe it or not, the topic of placement of the extinguisher has been discussed several times, as have the various types of extinguishers.
To save you the time, the summary is simple: the best unit is a Halon unit. It evaporates on contact, leaving no damaging powdery residue, has heat seeking capability. and doesn't impair your vision. While I haven't done much research into which type (H3R offers many different ones), I'd go w/ Phil on this (he knows his stuff) and say Halon 1211. While I will indeed consult the experts @ H3R for the best extinguisher, from my previous convo w/ them and research, it seems the best overall would be a Model B355T 1211 Halon Commercial Fire Extinguisher. Capacity (lb.) = 5 lb. (that's what matters), Gross weight (lb.) = 8 lb 2oz. In addition to the general safety features their extinguisher units have, this one has "Industrial" quality metal valves and siphon tubes and low temperature operation to -65º F (important if you live in an area where it gets cold, believe it or not). Lastly, this one is specifically designated to be effective on chemical fires & flammable liquids, which is a must, given that the majority of fires I've heard of where electric or fuel.
As for placement, anywhere plastic is a BAD idea. So no mounting on top of the bin lids, no A-pillar crap (if you can fit it there, you might as well buy it for decoration only). In the bins is extremely unaccessible. The best two spots are 1) like canadaisintexas mentioned, in the passenger footwell. Specifically, if you use METAL (not plastic!) brackets to secure it to the front of the passenger seat rail, that would be ideal. It would be hugging the seat so it would never interefere w/ the passenger's footspace, and would be well within the driver's reach. Plus, the seat's not going anywhere
If you get in an accident where your seat travels...well...an extinguisher is the least of your concerns 
The other excellent spot is in the trunk. How accessible is that? It's not. But I'm going to be loading prob one or two 5lb bottles back there, cuz I'm having Mitch Piper (former lead fabricator & engine builder of PFS) install a Halon extinguisher kit for me. 2 point = 5 lb bottle (pushing it), 3 point = 10 lb bottle. One nozzle goes to the engine bay, the other to the interior, and the third to the gas tank. Actual hardcore racecar setup. And of course, it's got a failsafe activation method from inside the cockpit. That's prob what I'm going to get one of those Fighter Jet flipswitches for (so no accidentally pushing the button haha). That system is fastest and is actually the best, since popping the hood to extinguish a fire actually feeds the fire oxygen.
If you guys keep coming (show SERIOUS interest), I have no problem contacting H3R and trying to get approval for a group buy request within a week or so. So yea I'll def. move on it. But I'd like to iron out the details here, namely price.
The Model B355T 1211 Extinguisher I mentioned above runs $119.95 reconditioned, or $209.95 new. Those are the list prices; hopefully we'll get 'em cheaper in a group buy. But my point of inquiry is, if that's the until we're agreeing upon, is that the max price ppl are willing to pay? In short, if ppl think they're getting this for $50, and because of that are showing interest, that obviously isn't realistic, and I don't wanna look like a fool w/ these H3R ppl. So just wanna make sure everyone knows what they're getting into. You pay to play, and this isn't an area to skimp on IMHO
~Ramy
To save you the time, the summary is simple: the best unit is a Halon unit. It evaporates on contact, leaving no damaging powdery residue, has heat seeking capability. and doesn't impair your vision. While I haven't done much research into which type (H3R offers many different ones), I'd go w/ Phil on this (he knows his stuff) and say Halon 1211. While I will indeed consult the experts @ H3R for the best extinguisher, from my previous convo w/ them and research, it seems the best overall would be a Model B355T 1211 Halon Commercial Fire Extinguisher. Capacity (lb.) = 5 lb. (that's what matters), Gross weight (lb.) = 8 lb 2oz. In addition to the general safety features their extinguisher units have, this one has "Industrial" quality metal valves and siphon tubes and low temperature operation to -65º F (important if you live in an area where it gets cold, believe it or not). Lastly, this one is specifically designated to be effective on chemical fires & flammable liquids, which is a must, given that the majority of fires I've heard of where electric or fuel.
As for placement, anywhere plastic is a BAD idea. So no mounting on top of the bin lids, no A-pillar crap (if you can fit it there, you might as well buy it for decoration only). In the bins is extremely unaccessible. The best two spots are 1) like canadaisintexas mentioned, in the passenger footwell. Specifically, if you use METAL (not plastic!) brackets to secure it to the front of the passenger seat rail, that would be ideal. It would be hugging the seat so it would never interefere w/ the passenger's footspace, and would be well within the driver's reach. Plus, the seat's not going anywhere
If you get in an accident where your seat travels...well...an extinguisher is the least of your concerns The other excellent spot is in the trunk. How accessible is that? It's not. But I'm going to be loading prob one or two 5lb bottles back there, cuz I'm having Mitch Piper (former lead fabricator & engine builder of PFS) install a Halon extinguisher kit for me. 2 point = 5 lb bottle (pushing it), 3 point = 10 lb bottle. One nozzle goes to the engine bay, the other to the interior, and the third to the gas tank. Actual hardcore racecar setup. And of course, it's got a failsafe activation method from inside the cockpit. That's prob what I'm going to get one of those Fighter Jet flipswitches for (so no accidentally pushing the button haha). That system is fastest and is actually the best, since popping the hood to extinguish a fire actually feeds the fire oxygen.
If you guys keep coming (show SERIOUS interest), I have no problem contacting H3R and trying to get approval for a group buy request within a week or so. So yea I'll def. move on it. But I'd like to iron out the details here, namely price.
The Model B355T 1211 Extinguisher I mentioned above runs $119.95 reconditioned, or $209.95 new. Those are the list prices; hopefully we'll get 'em cheaper in a group buy. But my point of inquiry is, if that's the until we're agreeing upon, is that the max price ppl are willing to pay? In short, if ppl think they're getting this for $50, and because of that are showing interest, that obviously isn't realistic, and I don't wanna look like a fool w/ these H3R ppl. So just wanna make sure everyone knows what they're getting into. You pay to play, and this isn't an area to skimp on IMHO
~Ramy
-heathP.S. i wonder if we could do a GB to include bracketry? this thing will do no good rattling around in your trunk or velcrowed to something.
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12-07-05, 01:18 AM
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sorry i think you misread my post... i was saying what the DISADVANTAGES to the normal poweder type extinguishers were. id much rather have halon.... hence why if a group buy gets going ill take two -heath
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BTW, you find that PM re: the gauges helpful at all, or no? LOL
P.S. i wonder if we could do a GB to include bracketry? this thing will do no good rattling around in your trunk or velcrowed to something.
12-07-05, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FDNewbie
Heath, my fault BTW, you find that PM re: the gauges helpful at all, or no? LOL
It comes w/ a metal strab bracket. Is that what you're talking about/looking for? Or something more?
BTW, you find that PM re: the gauges helpful at all, or no? LOLIt comes w/ a metal strab bracket. Is that what you're talking about/looking for? Or something more?
. as far as BUYING gauges... im waiting to see what defi releases (if anything) in the next few months.as for the brackets... is that all i'll need to bolt an extinguisher down in place where you guys recomended (in front of the pass. seat). im worried about 90mph+++ accidents. granted if youre crashing at 90+ mph you have more important things to worry about... but alot of us DO spend a good amount of time around or into tripple digits, so it would make sense to have it bolted down as securely as possible.
12-07-05, 06:30 AM
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I'm in and i would also be interested in some kind of brack that allows the extinguisher's mount to be mounted to the front of the seat rails. If the bracket cant be done its no big deal but it sure would be nice
12-07-05, 06:51 AM
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Heath, yea I don't think I got a reply, which made me think "Oh man...he musta thought that PM was total crap" LOL. 
It's all good And yea I'd wait it out till we see what's cooking.
About the brackets, it's a metal strap that goes around the extinguisher, but I have no idea of it's nature re: mounting on the rails. I'll ask 'em what the back of the strap looks like, and prob run by Mitch Piper and get his suggesstion for how to securely fasten it, along w/ any options offered by H3R in terms of brackets etc. And I totally feel you; I want it fastened VERY securely.
~Ramy
It's all good And yea I'd wait it out till we see what's cooking.About the brackets, it's a metal strap that goes around the extinguisher, but I have no idea of it's nature re: mounting on the rails. I'll ask 'em what the back of the strap looks like, and prob run by Mitch Piper and get his suggesstion for how to securely fasten it, along w/ any options offered by H3R in terms of brackets etc. And I totally feel you; I want it fastened VERY securely.
~Ramy
12-07-05, 08:34 AM
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A buddy of mine with a Lotus Elise has a nice passenger side fire extinquisher mounted on a bracket extending forward of the seat secure to the seat rails (or using the seat mounting bolts - not sure which), but it's very clean. It would be great to have something like that, let me see if I can find a picture of it.
12-07-05, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FDNewbie
PS: You're in NJ and NC? Mitch Piper's shop is in Northern VA...not far from either. Take your FD there. Mitch is a master fabricator. He fabricates full tube chassis cars from the ground up, as well as race preps anything from FBs and Miatas to Porsches.
