Finally installed 99-spec lip!! How I did it without drilling!
 

How I did it:

1. Removed all plastic tabs and locating pins on the SIDES of the 99 lip, after the brake ducts, using a sharp blade. The front ones fit the 93-95 bumper just fine.

2. Removed stock lip

3. Attached 2 side bolts for each half lip first and worked my way to the front, this made my life easier

4. Tightened everything up, note that I DID NOT drill any extra holes

5. I zip-tied the right and left side undertrays in the front as there's no place to bolt them in the 99 lip. The sides were bolted using stock locations

Fit is not perfect, I'm debating whether to drill one extra hole on each side to make it fit better. I like how it looks though

Nice to see exactly what my car will look like when I get the 99 lip :)

I'm trying to think of another sports car with a cheesy piece of plastic hanging off the front bumper that basically does absolutely nothing unless you are going 120 (and questionable what value it has even then)

I never understood modifications that do not improve performance....it's why I always shake my head at ricers

99 front lips rock, I dont know what your talking about. Put one on your car and you will understand.

For some, it improves aesthetics. Personally, I don't care for the '99 lip; I prefer the R1/R2 lip on the '93-'95 cars. IMO, it *belongs* on the car, compared to the stock Touring/Base lip.

it looks dumb to me.....and I see it as offering no real performance advantage whatsover....as I said, perhaps minor increase in downforce at 120+

gimmicky....

So MAZDA is a ricer company for making and installing these OEM parts on their cars in japan?

neit,

Yep, its not required to drill any holes at all... its just reccomended for a better fit. Even if you drill holes, it will still fit shitty, its just because the profile of the 99-spec and the stock 93-98 bumpers is slightly different.

I guess Im a ricer, according to FD from R1...

Well my car is all show and no go right now!!!

Tell that to Mazda's engineers who designed the car for a 160 MPH top speed. As if you know any better?

I guess OEM is rice now? Moron...

Yes, FD's look like sharks without the lip. I guess "FD from R1" likes driving a shark.

Rice, is in the Eye of the Beholder :D

I dont know what these people are talking about, the 99 spec lip is beautiful. I dont see how anyone can think it looks ricey.


https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...id=73302&stc=1

Actually, I noticed more stability even at highway speeds. It's definitely functional.

Interesting. Is that for the 99 or the stock lip? or are both functional?

I don't know about the stock R1 lip, but I'm referring to the '99 Spec Lip.

In that case I better take the black tint off my car because I'm a ricer now.


I think its a better improvement over the shitty 1" lip that most come with. But I have to agree I think the R1 and R2, lip looks more agressive because they are a beefier lip. On top of that both were not only designed for more agressive appearance, but to direct more cold air into the radiator and intercooler even below 120mph, on top of the added benefit of downforce.

it's their car let them do whatever they want to it, keep t stock, riced it out, it's their money.

:rlaugh: hahahah I love this forum

I installed a 93 r1 lip on my base model yesterday and could have sworn I felt more stability on the highway, it just felt like the front was heavier and stuck to the ground more than it did driving it earlier that day with the 1" stock lip. My real goal was to increase stability over 120mph though since I'm taking it to the track on Friday. I've heard that sevens are weird over 120 due to front-end lift, so whatever downforce I can get up front is welcome.

Plus it looks much better than the stock base lip and not ricey at all. I'm not convinced on the 99+ lip though especially if it doesn't fit perfectly.

With a just a bit of attention to the alignment, the only part that doesnt mate almost perfectly is the ends, which are about 1 cm longer (towards the tires).

I love the looks of mine:

http://flathat.woodstream.net/Columb...ekim/FDsig.JPG

Do not improve performance? Well, FYI, the stock R1 vs the stock Touring lip cut the front lift IN HALF according to wind tunnel testing.

Yeah it doesn't matter at 50 mph, but when I'm going 150, I sure love the planted feel!

I have the stock lip, and have have had my car over 130 mph on several occasions. It has always felt very solid.

My preference would be to have the R1 lip. To me, it looks better with the 93-95 bumper. My only concerns are scraping it on curbs, and getting the car on my ramps when I work on it. I suspect that the downforce is similar with both.

I'm curious.. honestly what do you have on your car?? Maybe we all need to learn a lesson or two on "not" ricin' out our cars.. And OEM mazda piece is being "ricer".. Geez, what next, 99 rear spoiler is also ricing out??

First of all, most of us when we see a riced out car, we immediately think its slow.. So, why not rice it out and make it go fast?? that would be something.. hmm..

LOL 99 spec lips are awesome. They make the front of the car look totally different IMO. But i guess if you have a 99 spec lip you are a ricer as FD from R1 has said. I love my 99 front lip

I think Jimlab posted actual windtunnel stats on the base/touring lip, r1 lip, and 99 lip somewhere on this board which showed that there is an actual difference between the 3 in downforce and drag.

I love how unstable this forum is. One person (this shithead) has a comment and everyone climbs in the ring to take pop-shots. It's great.:D Now its my turn...

Obviously, you dont know anything about light-weight aerodynamic cars. Motor-city-boy thinks it a shame Magnaflow doesn't make an OEM replacement for the FD. Oh yeah, my traction bars (just installed them...on my front lawn) are going to boost my gas mileage. BITCHIN!

Mark's (YZF-R1, FD from R1, the ancient words) posts tends to have that effect on people. :p:

That said, I think putting a '99 front spoiler on a '93-'95 bumper A) looks like shit, B) looks like shit, C) looks like a cheap "me too" wanna-be attempt at updating the look of the car, and D) looks like shit. The styling does not fit the '93-'95 bumper AT ALL.

If you want the '99 spec spoiler, buy the '99 spec bumper that goes with it. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. :)

What if you think the '99 bumper and lights suck, but you like the functionality of the '99 spec lip? ;)

What does the '99 spoiler do that the '93-'95 R1 front spoiler doesn't? Provide a hair more downforce? Nothing you'd be able to notice or measure, especially at any sane speed. Mark did have a valid point this time.

I like the R1 lip better over the 99spec too...
I think the 99spec looks kinda flimsey but I do agree it looks good with the 99spec bumper.
Speaking of anyone have an R1 lip for sale ?

As far as performance, yep, some more downforce. Every positive enhancement is a good one, especially for those of us who track our cars. I'm sure there are many areas you could compromise on your V8 for something a little "less", but you didn't because you didn't want to. ;) Besides, getting a '99 Spec unused was much cheaper and easier than the stock lip the last time I priced them out (in case people are counting pennies).

Taste is different to everyone. What one person likes, someone else might not. I like the look of a properly attached '99 Spec lip to a '93-95 bumper. I still have yet to find a bumper I like myself over the stock '93-95 but that's another conversation. Some people don't like it, oh well. They just don't need to do it to their cars. ;)

Well, there's one justification. :)

I think the Border Type II is my favorite.

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/attach...postid=1995155

I wonder what that would look like with the newer style lights?

I'm not really a fan of fiberglass, but that has always been the only aftermarket front I would even consider..

I do like the Border Type II over any other aftermarket bumper. But I still like stock better. ;)

They do have that exact same bumper for the '99 (yuck) Spec lights. :)

They have a version with the new marker lights, but I can't find a picture anywhere.

"this time"?

my points are always valid....this is coming from the guy who thought radioisotope dating is "as accurate as a swiss watch" ;)

Yeah, this time.

Please. :rolleyes:

I think we both know that the point I was trying to make was that atomic "events" are predictable and very well understood.

Of course, this is coming from a guy who thinks Noah packed up two of every animal to ride out the global flood while all the fish stayed in the sea (which miraculously maintained fresh, brackish, and salt zones for the comfort of the various species), and all the plants were somehow saved by hitching rides on floating bog-rafts... :rlaugh:

what an asshole

excuse me dickhead....my point was unless you are driving something like this http://www.koenigsegg.se/ or this http://www.noblecars.com/new-noble-site/index.html at 120+, a piece of plastic hanging off the front bumper is a complete waste of time

little Mazda wanna-bes on this forum amaze me....if you are tracking your car, have at it

but radiosotope decay is not well understood and subject to a host of assumptions....that was the point....you were way outside your limited knowledge base and still are

stick to V-8s Jim

Working on your next banning already, Mark? Why don't you just cut to the chase and threaten him with physical violence for not agreeing with you. :p:

Meaning what, that I don't have the Institute for Creation Research providing all of my data? :D

looks about 10x better than the silly lip spoiler

I don't know who provides your data....Discovery Channel?

whoever it is....they're worthless :D

I have a 99 lip on 93-95 bumper. The only thing I don't like about it, is that it doesn't fit properly. It looks like a cheap lip with bad fitment problems. It pissed me off so much, I just ended up buying the 99 bumper haha.

I think the best look was that guy that modified the 93 nose so the radiator opening/ducts were larger. BTW anybody know where that picture is ?

http://mahjik.homestead.com/files/FD...0040911_04.jpg

This is Mahjik's car. I think it looks great.

If your looking at those cars, your are on the wrong forum. Let me kelp you out. www.kitcar.ca/yabbse/ You're welcome.:D

Most people buy the 99 spec parts because they like how they look. That is usually what most car owners buy any exterior "enhancing" product. Mazda wanna-be or not, you're the brainiac who declared what a waste this "piece of plastic hanging off the front bumper" is...especially on this forum.

Don't even get me started on the "shark mouth" mod... :D