3rdGenLuvr

I almost bought a FD from an older guy who just recently purchased a S2000. Anyway he wanted too much for the FD so I went for another but the thing I find pretty amusing is every time I drive past his house the FD is in the garage and the new S2000 sits in the driveway....lol. See even he knows what the better car is!

IMO, the S2000 is a great car. However those who say speed isnt everythng need a wake up call. Dollar per HP, we all want somethng w/ some cojones. I still think Honda put together a great car but I really dont think it was built for the performance enthusiasts. Nothing wld annoy me more than some WRX pissing all over me in one of those cars....lol....and they can be had for much less.

One last thought, anyone who thinks the C5 is pure garbage is nuts. Chevy made leaps and bounds in improving that car and when you consider the price its not really that bad a car. Making world class numbers in a sub $50k isnt too common nowadays. Altho I doubt Id ever buy one, it isnt half as bad as some ppl make them out to be.

CCarlisi

Ultima is not a car producer, they are a kit car manufactuerer. The car comes from the factory completely unassembled. You can buy the "kit" in various parts. For instance you can buy the tube frame chassis for several K, then the suspension components for more money. If you add everything up, excluding powertain it comes out to ~27k, if purchased directly from Ultima. They now have an american partner building them up and selling complete cars for 89k, but I believe this is still considered a kit car. They have not gone through the rigors of us crash tests. They use the chevy v8 engine because there is a steady supply, it's relatively cheap and has passed all the US emissions requirements. Remember though, the Ultima was used to road test the Mcclaren 6L v12, so it certainly can accomodate other powerplants.
They have a very good webpage, here is the link to their US pricesheet
http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/usa/formgtr.pdf

Kahren

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s2000 runs a 1/4 of 13.8 get your facts straight and wrx does 14.2 so ther is no way it can keep up with it slalom time for wrx is 67 mph s2000 is 70.6. with a little more power a s2000 woudl be just as fast as the FD and being a honda i think it would do teh same 13.8 for a while down the road with minimal problems. u do not feel as much of a pull in teh s200o because of a very flat tq curve and lack of torque.

RyanC

Where are you getting these numbers?????? There is no way an s2000 does a 13.8. I have Car & Driver and Road and Track magazines sitting right in front of me. Car and Driver got 5.8/14.4, Road and Track got 5.5/14.2. Car and Driver has the WRX beating an S2000 so I am sure it is possible.

My vote is for a slightly used C5 or just save up a few more grand over the S2000 and buy one new. The only knock on a C5 is that there are just so many of them. But other than an FD you are going to be hard pressed to find a car that is as good in all facets of driving(acceleration, handling, braking, looks). Just my opinion.

airborne

The WRX certainly has a better aftermarket...I see M2 has a complete package put together for the WRX. SCC tested it out to 4.8sec 0-60mph, 13.1 1/4, 60-0 102ft, and 73.6mph slalom.
Total including car is about $37k.

JspecFD

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Yes they can. There's some killer deals on non-Z06 Vettes now. You can get new Vettes for $5k off MSRP + another $2k for the new GM rebate for a total of $7k off MSRP. Thats well under $45k. Just take a look on the Vette forums

My R2

Wait a minute guys and gals....before we all get rowdy let me see if I can shed some light on this NOW touchy subject. First for those who say S2000's cannot break 14 seconds in the 1/4-mile you are mistaken. They have been able to see high 13s in the quarter mile. However, mods for the S2000 are far few and between. I would even GUESS a FD with full exhaust could take a S2000 with a supercharger. As for the WRX, it has much more of an aftermarket and thus can be made faster for far less money than the S2000. As for which is quicker, I would say there are ABOUT even but I would give the edge to the WRX in the beginning but after that it is anybody’s game. Both are GREAT cars in there own right. The WRX is a car that the US has been crying for and now it is finally here (albeit de-tuned) and the S2000 a nice cruising car with the top down with plenty of get up and go. In other words...both cars are great in their own right. The have about the same performance as each other so why the tension.

On a side note: I would like to point out that correct spelling of words on forums is something that more people should try to do. I know sometimes you want to hurry and get your point across, but spelling errors (especially a lot of them on easy words) does not bode well for shaking the troll image. This is not intended to be a flame.

mr_jonboy

Uhhhhh, you just spelled "They" wrong.

tmak26b

Total BS, You cant run a S2000 all day at 14 flat. For a decent driver, they can barely hit mid 14s, let alone low. I am sorry, but most drivers dont drive their cars at 8K at take off

Kahren

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let me rephrase this, a GOOD driver will do a high 13's run in the s2k no matter what u do in teh wrx u can not get that time. handling on both of these cars is not the same either. s2k will kill teh wrx in corners. read review and go DRIVE both cars. s2k is harder to drive fast i can agree to that but dont say they are equal cars.

JoeD

who gives a ****?! the S2000 is not made to go in a straight line. you guys are talking like a bunch of 12 year old, thinking straight line performance is ALL that matters.

at least get a ride in or drive an S2K...then talk.

RyanC

Where are you getting these high 13 numbers from?? I just want to know. I personally have never heard of an S2000, whether it be at the track or in a magazine, do anywhere near that.

Kahren

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anywhere, go look at motor trend, i think they ran 13.8. a real sports car is about the WHOLE car as a package not a 1/4 mile. i completely agreed with JoeD. take the FD, WRX and s2k and see what happens. what u guys shoudl eb more impressed with is the SLALOM time and the skidpad of the s2k i believe teh same motor trend guys got 70.6 or 70.8 and .96 on skid. completely stock car. who cares what aftermarket u have!? u can make anythign fast if u have money DUH

widebody2

Going back to the Vette's...there are two 97s in the paper on long island...one for 23k another for 24k. I don't think you can beat those deals. I think the vette would be one of the hottest cars you've ever seen if you didn't see 4 everyday. Also I really don't think an s2k does anything in the 13s. I think 14.1 or so is possible. I raced one from a roll when my rx was stock and it wasn't all that close. Whats an rx do stock??? I've seen 13.3 all the way up to 14.1 and everything in between. Either way my experience leads me to believe an s2k is not in the 13s. It definately looks and handles like a sob though.

Mr. Belvi

VTEC punch in an ITR? LOL, I haven't felt a damn thing, but I guess that's what happens when you go from driving a 300+hp RWD V8 that runs high 13's to driving a low to mid 14's car...

3rdGenLuvr

.......Funny you mention facts? Since there are more of us who doubt you why dont you support ur facts?

Some cld say the same about owning an FD.......then talk.



As for the S2000 vs WRX debate, I still say a WRX will edge out the S2000. And mind you ppl, theres atleast $10000 difference between the two. Ill put some money on the the WRX w/ HALF that difference spent on an intake, ECU & complete exhaust. Oh what the heck, since we're speaking hypothetically here I wage another paycheck taking that 'other' half difference and put it into suspension/ braking upgrades. All of the above wld basically equate to a WRX pissing all over the S2000 for the same out of pocket expense.......DUH!
Orrrrrrr you can just wait till the end of the yr when Subaru will be bringing the STi to the States for about the same if not cheaper than the S2000!

Granted it may not be as good looking as the S2000 but that whole Rally Sport thing is getting catchy.

Oh I almost forgot to comment on the S2000 givng a FD comp.........very doubtful

widebody2

Pumped, I totally hear you. I went and test drove a stock rx7 for my friend a few weeks ago and couldn't even feel the turbo kick. I thought the turbos must have been blown or something but then all the other guys who drove it said thats exactly how my car used to feel. I guess you just really get used to driving with a certain amount of power no matter how much it is. My car doesn't even really feel that fast to me anymore.

technonovice

This might be true on the track, but on the street I'd rather have the low end grunt.

RyanC

Couldnt agree with you more.

technonovice

I find that Motor Trends numbers are generally...not always...more optimistic than the others. I did a comparison spread sheet once including the numbers from MT, R&T, C&D, Autoweek, EVO, Top Gear, Car and the manufacturors claims (the worst as you might guess).

RyanC

I wouldnt say "anywhere" since I just quoted you times out of Car & Driver and Road & Track as being much higher. Those guys at Motor Trend made the Thunderbird the car of the year so you know someone over there is smoking some crack, basically I don't trust them.

Fritz Flynn

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fact wrx is slower in every way vs a s2000 go look at any car mag. s2000 carries almost the same #s as the boxter s only for about 25k less. you guys are not giving this car its props the wrx does not compare i never owned one but i did consider it and test drove one a couple of times it feels great 0 to 30 but then there's nothing left. the s2000 has incredible steering and road feel like a miata only better. as far as cost a
wrx is 24k and the s2k is 32.7 at least on the east coast theres a dealer in pa that sells em for retail or even couple hundred off. i will admit that short of a turbo charger the s2000
does not repsond to mods and because the wrx is turbo charged there's lots of great mods for it but its not in the same league as far as being an over all good sports car after all its a sedan. Neither of these cars can compare to stock rx7 thats running correctly. you guys most be joking about not feeling v-tech or turbo's sounds like a little too much ff to me. Once a 7 is running correctly with just the
usual bolt ons your talking at least 300 hp
rwhp on a car weighing 2800 lbs which means for most street driving situations you have to excercise control when driving
or your going to feel your *** going in circles. so please stop with the macho ff nonsense ( christ i guess a jet pilot doesn't
ever feel like he's moving )

technonovice

I've been thinking about getting an S2000 for its Hondurability. I just read the other day that SCCA is considering downgrading it into B stock.

Anyone else see that? And the Boxster S is being considered for Super stock. That would seperate it from the S2000 by 2 classes. The S2000 may be a poor man's Boxster but it is no Boxster S on the track.

This thread just goes to show how some variables can be more appealing than others to different people.

I'm glad that we have all of these cars to talk about and hope for more.

3rdGenLuvr

Heres some proof
Basically this is it> Same eMag says: Stock for stock, the S2000 is a joke! Just imagine what some mods wld do to the WRX. You wld still walk away with alot of money. I cant stand any of these cars being built w/ killer looks but wheezy motors under the hood (ie Boxster,Z3 so on). Shame!

Ur turn!

WhtRocket

Hey not everyone hates the C5's. If I had the money, I'd buy one. The S2000 does not compare to the Rx-7. I raced an S2000 once and it was like a joke, close in handling and no contest on acceleration. My FD was pretty stock then. I'm still looking for something I can afford that I'd rather have. Not seeing it yet.