The FD is about to explode in value :)
12-19-11, 09:50 PM
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I think there may come a time where people of collector means will appreciate the FD for what it is/was, and sorry, Supras, NSX's, and it's contemporaries weren't. The "flaws" are the sorts of things everyday people who bought the car new would have been concerned about (and were), but collectors likely won't care about.
We're talking about one of the top 5 timelessly beautiful sports car designs of all time, and something that in terms of it's design goals was both a high watermark, and a game changer.
The toughest part might be the lack of "unmolested" examples.
We're talking about one of the top 5 timelessly beautiful sports car designs of all time, and something that in terms of it's design goals was both a high watermark, and a game changer.
The toughest part might be the lack of "unmolested" examples.
12-19-11, 10:18 PM
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It's difficult to own an "un-molested" RX-7.
I bought an un-molested example in Oct of 09 with 38k miles, all original. Just a few small dings and paint chips, tinny sounding doors and a busted map pocket lid. Repaired everything but the dings.
Before I bought the car I was reading all about the reliability mods that I needed to do and how the pre-cat is terrible. I've put on an HKS downpipe, Koyo radiator, water injection and I no longer have a bone stock car. The RB catback was unnecessary but I'm glad I did it. It's a fine line to walk with these cars, keeping them totally stock vs. a few small mods.
I bought an un-molested example in Oct of 09 with 38k miles, all original. Just a few small dings and paint chips, tinny sounding doors and a busted map pocket lid. Repaired everything but the dings.
Before I bought the car I was reading all about the reliability mods that I needed to do and how the pre-cat is terrible. I've put on an HKS downpipe, Koyo radiator, water injection and I no longer have a bone stock car. The RB catback was unnecessary but I'm glad I did it. It's a fine line to walk with these cars, keeping them totally stock vs. a few small mods.
12-19-11, 10:38 PM
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the collectors of tomorrow are gonna have a good percentage of buyers that are not goin to care if its unmolested or not..
these are the folks that are not goin to treat these cars as garage queens.. and are goin to appreciate its build history..
collectors that are gonna comprise of folks that are within recent generations mod-centric in nature..
keep your stocker in a glass case.. ill be on the lookout for a well sorted stock bodied example down the road and use it.. fd or not..
these are the folks that are not goin to treat these cars as garage queens.. and are goin to appreciate its build history..
collectors that are gonna comprise of folks that are within recent generations mod-centric in nature..
keep your stocker in a glass case.. ill be on the lookout for a well sorted stock bodied example down the road and use it.. fd or not..
12-19-11, 11:14 PM
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i have never really seen even a single FD that didn't have at least one issue with the car.. they all have something, be it the nonexistent map cover, center vent, broken door handle, door tin canning due to broken support bead, suspension popping, original engine about to give out, you name it.
I'm right there with ya Fritz. Looking at the world through rose colored glasses or not, to me, my FD is priceless.
However Fritz, it might help if you stop buying the cars at such low prices and pulling the market down!
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12-20-11, 02:58 AM
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I've been to dozens of car shows, from American muscle car shows to HIN, including these stuffy "classic" ones. Classics sports a picture of an LS6 Chevelle and every other car is European and preferably ancient in origin. It is a completely different crowd from which it's highly doubtful that a Mazda RX-7 would receive an invitation to appear.
I think the key is to present properly clean examples of RX-7's at the venues available to us currently. People can't ignore a clean FD. For those who have nice ones, we know people always want to talk to us about our cars, befriend us, give thumbs up, or say to their friends "Oh s***, it's an RX-7," which is usually followed by "Daaaaaaamm!"
However...
a modded '94 has sold for $30K, and a Banzai 20B FD sold for $52K, here > http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...AZDA&model=RX7
I think the key is to present properly clean examples of RX-7's at the venues available to us currently. People can't ignore a clean FD. For those who have nice ones, we know people always want to talk to us about our cars, befriend us, give thumbs up, or say to their friends "Oh s***, it's an RX-7," which is usually followed by "Daaaaaaamm!"
However...
a modded '94 has sold for $30K, and a Banzai 20B FD sold for $52K, here > http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...AZDA&model=RX7
12-20-11, 03:07 AM
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I'm right in that age group. Along with many of us.
I was one of the very few that managed to "afford" an fd at a younger age. I ended up getting in and being friends with everyone that was interested in cars because of that.
All of those friends have finished college and are settling in life right now. One of my buddy's is on the fence about buying a Supra. And he's got the CASH sitting there waiting. MANY of my other friends are in the same boat. Finished college, got good paying jobs and want to go back to those times when the FD was fairly new and exciting.
Going back in time to the races, they would show up in civics e30's dsms and such. Then the supra's and FD's ect would show up... They wanted to be the guys in the FD's and Surpas. And they will make it happen now that they are older.
The guys that want that, they want nice clean stock cars. Period. They want to mod them from stock to the "perfect for them" setup.
12-20-11, 05:49 AM
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But the girls at HIN are Soo hot lol.
Seriously though the kids make and break our market. Because the uneducated buy an fd not knowing what the hell to do them blowing he engine, putting half *** parts doing a half *** job then selling it for a 1/3 of what they originally bought It for. The continuation of this brings our market down.
But then the same kids with their rich parents will buy whatever their child desires.
"Oh son you want that cool fast and furious rx7 for your high school graduation present?"
Then they will do whatever it takes to get them one spending more than what they should because like the kids, they are uneducated about these cars.
Its a see saw battle for a steady market. I think we have to just atop worrying and let history takes its course.
Do any of you plan on selling if the value does go up double? I still don't think I can. And if he does double, wont be anytime soon.
If we are all dedicated to this car and can't sell, no need to worry about selling..
This sounds like more insecurity from fd owners lol. Its sad but I applaud the true love for the car.
12-20-11, 06:19 AM
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Who here wants a GT0?
Who here wants an e30 m3, 240z, RS american, 993 TT and of course a cym r1 etc.... those are the cars that will be selling for 100k at auctions when I'm old enough to have a desire to collect something.
However when I am 60 or 65 car auctions will have some imports because that's what the 60 and 65 year old buyers will want.
e.
Who here wants an e30 m3, 240z, RS american, 993 TT and of course a cym r1 etc.... those are the cars that will be selling for 100k at auctions when I'm old enough to have a desire to collect something.
However when I am 60 or 65 car auctions will have some imports because that's what the 60 and 65 year old buyers will want.
e.
years ago it was the 57 chevy, now its not as desierable. Now its the 60s muscle cars.
The next fad will be the 70s muscle cars, then the 80s will be the GNs, 10 ann GTA, maybe even the IROC, Saleen? SVO?
The RX7 will be the oddball, maybe bringing 30k-40k, but 60? I dont know about that
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the collectors of tomorrow are gonna have a good percentage of buyers that are not goin to care if its unmolested or not..
these are the folks that are not goin to treat these cars as garage queens.. and are goin to appreciate its build history..
collectors that are gonna comprise of folks that are within recent generations mod-centric in nature..
keep your stocker in a glass case.. ill be on the lookout for a well sorted stock bodied example down the road and use it.. fd or not..
these are the folks that are not goin to treat these cars as garage queens.. and are goin to appreciate its build history..
collectors that are gonna comprise of folks that are within recent generations mod-centric in nature..
keep your stocker in a glass case.. ill be on the lookout for a well sorted stock bodied example down the road and use it.. fd or not..
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years ago it was the 57 chevy, now its not as desierable. Now its the 60s muscle cars.
The next fad will be the 70s muscle cars, then the 80s will be the GNs, 10 ann GTA, maybe even the IROC, Saleen? SVO?
The RX7 will be the oddball, maybe bringing 30k-40k, but 60? I dont know about that
The next fad will be the 70s muscle cars, then the 80s will be the GNs, 10 ann GTA, maybe even the IROC, Saleen? SVO?
The RX7 will be the oddball, maybe bringing 30k-40k, but 60? I dont know about that
12-20-11, 08:43 AM
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However when I am 60 or 65 car auctions will have some imports because that's what the 60 and 65 year old buyers will want.
Other than Karak (he might be 60 lol) I don't think many us driving around in FDs think about anything but sports cars and there are very few american sports cars of note.
Other than Karak (he might be 60 lol) I don't think many us driving around in FDs think about anything but sports cars and there are very few american sports cars of note.
I look forward to seeing what the future holds for the FD. I'm keeping my eye out for a low mileage deal to hang onto for a while once I get settled in a little. I also need to sell a couple of my FD's and clear out my ridiculous surplus of FD parts(nothing compared to Fritz's).
I don't think there is a snow ball's chance in hell that a V8 FD will ever bring a premium. I also think the "number's matching, all original" crap will go away as my generation gets older. I've never had a car that, when completely stock, I said to myself, "this is perfect, I'm not going to do a thing to it." Whether it be upgrading the suspension, installing a better/more updated stereo or adding performance or reliability mods... there have always been "tweaks" to be made at a minimum.
I do see the FD as an investment, but not a monetary one. As with all my cars, I DRIVE them. I'd bet every time we track addicts get out on track, we get more of a "return" on our investment than an owner does that spends his time waxing, modding, and putting around the street.
12-20-11, 08:54 AM
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Any time you are in the DC area...give me a holler...I have a car I can show you.
And this is always very saddening.
I'm right there with ya Fritz. Looking at the world through rose colored glasses or not, to me, my FD is priceless.
However Fritz, it might help if you stop buying the cars at such low prices and pulling the market down!
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And this is always very saddening.
I'm right there with ya Fritz. Looking at the world through rose colored glasses or not, to me, my FD is priceless.
However Fritz, it might help if you stop buying the cars at such low prices and pulling the market down!
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Single turbo/highly modded wired up/jacked up FDs that were pieced together on a shoe string will always be parts cars to me and not worth much.
There are still plenty of good deals on this forum but most of the cars have 100s of issues. Neither of my DD FDs have a single thing wrong with them and they are absolute joys to drive.
The 8600 mile BB r2 now has 23k miles and all I've done is change the oil, change the gear oil and put a new fuel filter (now relocated of course) on it. Eventually I'll put in an aluminum radiator but the stock radiator is a very efficient light weight radiator so why change a good thing until it's heat soaked to death. Currently it still looks new because this car is and has been super spoiled which is how any thoroughbred should be treated.
The 36,000 mile VR r2 now has 41k miles and I've changed the oil and put gas in it. Oh yeah I put in an N-flow because the stock rad was slightly changing color.
For high end sports cars these car are very reliable. Just don't go mod crazy and you won't have anything to worry about. All the little issues can and have been corrected with easy bolt on parts.
12-20-11, 09:09 AM
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Guys.... I'm currently 51 and have owned many cars in my lifetime, both American muscle and imports, and the FD is hands-down the best handling and funnest car that I've ever owned. I had a chance back in 1978 to buy a 1970 Daytona Challenger that was sitting behind a garage in Minnesota. It had a 440 6 pack in it and was missing the "Daytona" nose, but other than that the car was rough, but complete. Guy was asking $12K and I told him he was "crazy." Guess who's crazy now?? My point is, that most on this board who own FDs are currently in their late 20s to early 40s and have yet to hit their stride career- and income-wise.
Just last night I was watching some of Fritz's recent track videos. Give them a look if you doubt the FD's capabilities versus other cars on the track. It destroys just about everything else on the track at a "fraction" of the cost. Water injection and advancements in tuning and engine management have greatly improved reliability.
Agreed... we will see. IMO, enough people have an emotional attachment to this car that it WILL increase significantly in value. That plus the low production numbers and clean low mileage examples will drive the market. How much it goes up is still up in the air, but I'm certain it will go up.
Agreed, the FD will probably never be a "mass appeal" collectible, but for the niche group of rotary enthusiasts and some curious "Fast and Furious" outliers, the car will continue to hold interest. Parts-wise, I think you'll see a lot of RHD rollers in the next few years as Japanese auction houses clear out the excess inventory in Japan as parking fees drive owners to dump their FDs for smaller less expensive cars. Regarding reliability, I really doubt if that will be the end all for someone enthusiastic. Heck, look how many still collect British sportscars and we know how "reliable" those cars were in their day.
Just last night I was watching some of Fritz's recent track videos. Give them a look if you doubt the FD's capabilities versus other cars on the track. It destroys just about everything else on the track at a "fraction" of the cost. Water injection and advancements in tuning and engine management have greatly improved reliability.
Agreed... we will see. IMO, enough people have an emotional attachment to this car that it WILL increase significantly in value. That plus the low production numbers and clean low mileage examples will drive the market. How much it goes up is still up in the air, but I'm certain it will go up.
Agreed, the FD will probably never be a "mass appeal" collectible, but for the niche group of rotary enthusiasts and some curious "Fast and Furious" outliers, the car will continue to hold interest. Parts-wise, I think you'll see a lot of RHD rollers in the next few years as Japanese auction houses clear out the excess inventory in Japan as parking fees drive owners to dump their FDs for smaller less expensive cars. Regarding reliability, I really doubt if that will be the end all for someone enthusiastic. Heck, look how many still collect British sportscars and we know how "reliable" those cars were in their day.
Regarding this cars performance it's on par with any high performance car EVER made. This is one of the most exciting cars I've ever driven and I've had the pleasure to both ride in and drive lots of really cool cars at speed at an advanced level on a road course. This does of course cloud my judgment quite a bit but at the same time it sets a boundary that very few cars can enter.
20 or 30 years ago people were drag racing and not auto crossing, drifting and or going to road courses which again sets a new bar for what the buyer will appreciate and desire from a certain car.
12-20-11, 09:24 AM
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You and Pete both look good for 35
I look forward to seeing what the future holds for the FD. I'm keeping my eye out for a low mileage deal to hang onto for a while once I get settled in a little. I also need to sell a couple of my FD's and clear out my ridiculous surplus of FD parts(nothing compared to Fritz's).
I don't think there is a snow ball's chance in hell that a V8 FD will ever bring a premium. I also think the "number's matching, all original" crap will go away as my generation gets older. I've never had a car that, when completely stock, I said to myself, "this is perfect, I'm not going to do a thing to it." Whether it be upgrading the suspension, installing a better/more updated stereo or adding performance or reliability mods... there have always been "tweaks" to be made at a minimum.
I do see the FD as an investment, but not a monetary one. As with all my cars, I DRIVE them. I'd bet every time we track addicts get out on track, we get more of a "return" on our investment than an owner does that spends his time waxing, modding, and putting around the street.
I look forward to seeing what the future holds for the FD. I'm keeping my eye out for a low mileage deal to hang onto for a while once I get settled in a little. I also need to sell a couple of my FD's and clear out my ridiculous surplus of FD parts(nothing compared to Fritz's).
I don't think there is a snow ball's chance in hell that a V8 FD will ever bring a premium. I also think the "number's matching, all original" crap will go away as my generation gets older. I've never had a car that, when completely stock, I said to myself, "this is perfect, I'm not going to do a thing to it." Whether it be upgrading the suspension, installing a better/more updated stereo or adding performance or reliability mods... there have always been "tweaks" to be made at a minimum.
I do see the FD as an investment, but not a monetary one. As with all my cars, I DRIVE them. I'd bet every time we track addicts get out on track, we get more of a "return" on our investment than an owner does that spends his time waxing, modding, and putting around the street.
12-20-11, 10:35 AM
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i have owned a number of imports and domestics from the '68 through '74 era.i can appreciate everyone's desire for their cars as you own FD's but i do not. i have thought about buying one but i really can't justify opening another can of worms after already going through it several times. i just do not find a 100% stock FD to really be as eye catching as some of you do, i can appreciate the rarity of an unmolested clean low mile FD though but i just don't see someone choosing between a stock 30 year old soon to be in the shop -again- FD and a Ferrari for the same price.
one of the few who you might figure would be a collector of rotary powered cars with the wallet to back it up, Jay Leno, doesn't have any series of 7 yet has just about every other form of real collector rotary powered vehicle.
i just think you are expecting the moon and i'm simply not seeing it.
i think many people now are confusing inflation with value increase. at the rate of inflation now in 10 years the FD likely will have double in price, but not in value. for the record, $12k back in 1978 is approximately $40k now for a much newer project at the time(in 1978). so in reality you still had to restore the car, drop more money on the project and store it for 30 years for it to have doubled in value. i don't know about you but most people's retirement account earn more in interest in that amount of time by a longshot..
is tripping over the car in a bubble in the garage for 10+ years really worth an incremental "value" increase?
i mean really though and not to be too offensive but i think sometimes owners can turn to zealots. most people buy the car because they like it, they like the way it feels, they like the way it drives. they do not buy it to make it 100% new and sit on it in hopes of making a few dollars selling it years down the road, there is much easier ways of making money. as many of you know, a car that isn't driven daily also rots and breaks continuously, this is compounded by the complexity of the car and in many cases here we are comparing older basic cars to a much more complex newer car that is vastly more difficult to repair without damaging something else in the process.
i am not saying the cars aren't worth it and will likely keep increasing in value, just not as explosive as the aim is here. in much less than the 30 year examples in this thread, less than 30 years from now oil will be dry, many cars you see on the roads now will be junked and the hand picked that people want to keep and run on the luxurious dino powered fuels will likely DROP in value as they will flood the market. you can only hope that they makes leaps and bounds in electrical technology with hybrids to save some of that fuel 'til then or the bottom certainly will fall out. hindsight is 20/20, foresight isn't something that just everyone has.
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12-20-11, 11:44 AM
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this is why I said this:
think about it- what60s or 70s import car really demands good money?
You say that because people are autocrossing instead of drag racing they will want different cars but you should know how greatly improved cars have gotten and how much they will improve even further. The aftermarket for them will be REALLY strong where the aftermarket support for the RX7 will die out
You say that because people are autocrossing instead of drag racing they will want different cars but you should know how greatly improved cars have gotten and how much they will improve even further. The aftermarket for them will be REALLY strong where the aftermarket support for the RX7 will die out
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lol, i'm only 37 but i have always appreciated a nice clean true classic car. i have owned a number of imports and domestics from the '68 through '74 era.
i can appreciate everyone's desire for their cars as you own FD's but i do not. i have thought about buying one but i really can't justify opening another can of worms after already going through it several times. i just do not find a 100% stock FD to really be as eye catching as some of you do, i can appreciate the rarity of an unmolested clean low mile FD though but i just don't see someone choosing between a stock 30 year old soon to be in the shop -again- FD and a Ferrari for the same price.
one of the few who you might figure would be a collector of rotary powered cars with the wallet to back it up, Jay Leno, doesn't have any series of 7 yet has just about every other form of real collector rotary powered vehicle.
i just think you are expecting the moon and i'm simply not seeing it.
i think many people now are confusing inflation with value increase. at the rate of inflation now in 10 years the FD likely will have double in price, but not in value. for the record, $12k back in 1978 is approximately $40k now for a much newer project at the time(in 1978). so in reality you still had to restore the car, drop more money on the project and store it for 30 years for it to have doubled in value. i don't know about you but most people's retirement account earn more in interest in that amount of time by a longshot..
is tripping over the car in a bubble in the garage for 10+ years really worth an incremental "value" increase?
i mean really though and not to be too offensive but i think sometimes owners can turn to zealots. most people buy the car because they like it, they like the way it feels, they like the way it drives. they do not buy it to make it 100% new and sit on it in hopes of making a few dollars selling it years down the road, there is much easier ways of making money. as many of you know, a car that isn't driven daily also rots and breaks continuously, this is compounded by the complexity of the car and in many cases here we are comparing older basic cars to a much more complex newer car that is vastly more difficult to repair without damaging something else in the process.
i have owned a number of imports and domestics from the '68 through '74 era.i can appreciate everyone's desire for their cars as you own FD's but i do not. i have thought about buying one but i really can't justify opening another can of worms after already going through it several times. i just do not find a 100% stock FD to really be as eye catching as some of you do, i can appreciate the rarity of an unmolested clean low mile FD though but i just don't see someone choosing between a stock 30 year old soon to be in the shop -again- FD and a Ferrari for the same price.
one of the few who you might figure would be a collector of rotary powered cars with the wallet to back it up, Jay Leno, doesn't have any series of 7 yet has just about every other form of real collector rotary powered vehicle.
i just think you are expecting the moon and i'm simply not seeing it.
i think many people now are confusing inflation with value increase. at the rate of inflation now in 10 years the FD likely will have double in price, but not in value. for the record, $12k back in 1978 is approximately $40k now for a much newer project at the time(in 1978). so in reality you still had to restore the car, drop more money on the project and store it for 30 years for it to have doubled in value. i don't know about you but most people's retirement account earn more in interest in that amount of time by a longshot..
is tripping over the car in a bubble in the garage for 10+ years really worth an incremental "value" increase?
i mean really though and not to be too offensive but i think sometimes owners can turn to zealots. most people buy the car because they like it, they like the way it feels, they like the way it drives. they do not buy it to make it 100% new and sit on it in hopes of making a few dollars selling it years down the road, there is much easier ways of making money. as many of you know, a car that isn't driven daily also rots and breaks continuously, this is compounded by the complexity of the car and in many cases here we are comparing older basic cars to a much more complex newer car that is vastly more difficult to repair without damaging something else in the process.
And these are the muttering thoughts of a man withdrawing from the smell of gasoline and rubber, brake pads and the sounds and sensations of road racing violence so take note because you too could start talking and acting like someone who didn't just fly over the cuckoos nest but dropped in for an extended stay and like me you too will meet a nurse with a ratchet there's no way to avoid the ratchet 
Jay would be well served if he found the lowest mileage CYM out there and offered the buyer whatever it took and kept it for his grand kids
Certainly wouldn't be near the top of the food chain in his collection but it also would not be a bottom feeder. I'm not comparing the FD to a Ferrari GT0 250 (one of my favorites) but it's collector worthy and if Jay had any damn sense he'd sell that hideous new camaro SERIOUSLY jay WTF?
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this is why I said this:
think about it- what60s or 70s import car really demands good money?
You say that because people are autocrossing instead of drag racing they will want different cars but you should know how greatly improved cars have gotten and how much they will improve even further. The aftermarket for them will be REALLY strong where the aftermarket support for the RX7 will die out
think about it- what60s or 70s import car really demands good money?
You say that because people are autocrossing instead of drag racing they will want different cars but you should know how greatly improved cars have gotten and how much they will improve even further. The aftermarket for them will be REALLY strong where the aftermarket support for the RX7 will die out
Z cars do OK
GTRs will be collectors
e30 M3s
993 P cars
NSX
Supra (the import muscle car)
etc....
These are the next camaros, mustangs and corvettes of tomorrow.
Are you serious about the availability of parts for a collector car
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I've been wheelin and dealin to get a good FD
Last year I picked up a roller with all the parts in boxes and lots of aftermarket parts.
I got it from a rich kid, his Mom bought it for him for $14k right from japan, he got some shop to sell him parts for cheap to promote their shop. bought a bunch of stuff, like new tein coilovers, 18" rims, cwest body kit, reman 99 spec spoiler with cf center,cf hood, hks cast manifold and bunch of other little things. put it on the road in the spring and blew the coolant seal the first day out so he decided he was going to do a full ground up rebuild stripped the car to a bare shell and it sat like that till I got it for $3500.(he got rid of his 99 spec Nardi wheel for a BRIGHT red MOMO wheel!!!!!!!!)
I was going to get a front clip to get that all going, and I found a sweet deal on a complete FD
sold the CF hood and manifold off for $1000
its a Famspeed 1992 Efini Type R with the little Famspeed plaque on the firewall. it was a little rough, the dash had a chunk out of it and was a bit beat up, it needed tires and brakes, the heater core leaked, and it ran a little rough. They had it listed for 4900, I pulled the winters comming soon card and ended up getting it for $3400
The engine is strong over 100 psi on both rotors( I have a shitty gauge goes 100-120 in a tiny space so its had to be acurrate)
I swapped over my good dash and other interior panels, rerouted the heater core lines back into the engine, hooked the airpump up, and it ran friggen awesome after that.
I've just been working on swapping over all the performance parts putting the stock stuff back on the roller.
after christmas i should have the roller all back together, if I can get $3500 I'll be a happy guy.
that would mean I paid $2400 for mine with all the parts
I'm going to freshen the engine up this winter with new seals and a small street port,
I estimate my FD will triple in value this winter
heres a pic sitting beside her sister
please dont make fun of my red wheel it was a gift from Ronald Mcdonald
Last year I picked up a roller with all the parts in boxes and lots of aftermarket parts.
I got it from a rich kid, his Mom bought it for him for $14k right from japan, he got some shop to sell him parts for cheap to promote their shop. bought a bunch of stuff, like new tein coilovers, 18" rims, cwest body kit, reman 99 spec spoiler with cf center,cf hood, hks cast manifold and bunch of other little things. put it on the road in the spring and blew the coolant seal the first day out so he decided he was going to do a full ground up rebuild stripped the car to a bare shell and it sat like that till I got it for $3500.(he got rid of his 99 spec Nardi wheel for a BRIGHT red MOMO wheel!!!!!!!!)
I was going to get a front clip to get that all going, and I found a sweet deal on a complete FD
sold the CF hood and manifold off for $1000
its a Famspeed 1992 Efini Type R with the little Famspeed plaque on the firewall. it was a little rough, the dash had a chunk out of it and was a bit beat up, it needed tires and brakes, the heater core leaked, and it ran a little rough. They had it listed for 4900, I pulled the winters comming soon card and ended up getting it for $3400
The engine is strong over 100 psi on both rotors( I have a shitty gauge goes 100-120 in a tiny space so its had to be acurrate)
I swapped over my good dash and other interior panels, rerouted the heater core lines back into the engine, hooked the airpump up, and it ran friggen awesome after that.
I've just been working on swapping over all the performance parts putting the stock stuff back on the roller.
after christmas i should have the roller all back together, if I can get $3500 I'll be a happy guy.
that would mean I paid $2400 for mine with all the parts
I'm going to freshen the engine up this winter with new seals and a small street port,
I estimate my FD will triple in value this winter
heres a pic sitting beside her sister
please dont make fun of my red wheel it was a gift from Ronald Mcdonald
12-20-11, 12:42 PM
#71
Has anyone been following pricing lately in the Old School rotary market? Try finding a clean exmaple of an R100 or RX-2, RX-3 or RX-4 for under $10K. Not too many out there being "given" away anymore. To Karak's point, I agree that no one should buy one and put it in your garage as an investment for 20 years. Fritz's original post just speculated on the FD increasing in value in the next 3-5 years. Now, he may share a "little" more optimism than most of us, but I tend to agree that as supply (and parts inventory) start to dwindle, prices will have to go up!
12-20-11, 01:15 PM
#72
Have you ever owned an FD? If you haven't go buy the best one you can and enjoy it, mod it (THE RIGHT WAY), drive it, track it, autocross it, drag it, drift it, just do it and tells us how you feel. If you already have you're a very lucky man to have immunity to this car because as you can tell I'm a serious FD Zealot of 12th degree. No I'm not Jewish but I do believe Jesus was just a very nice man and a skilled carpenter and our next savior could absolutely be a rotary mechanic And these are the muttering thoughts of a man withdrawing from the smell of gasoline and rubber, brake pads and the sounds and sensations of road racing violence so take note because you too could start talking and acting like someone who didn't just fly over the cuckoos nest but dropped in for an extended stay and like me you too will meet a nurse with a ratchet there's no way to avoid the ratchet
Jay would be well served if he found the lowest mileage CYM out there and offered the buyer whatever it took and kept it for his grand kids Certainly wouldn't be near the top of the food chain in his collection but it also would not be a bottom feeder.
I'm not comparing the FD to a Ferrari GT0 250 (one of my favorites) but it's collector worthy and if Jay had any damn sense he'd sell that hideous new camaro SERIOUSLY jay WTF?
And these are the muttering thoughts of a man withdrawing from the smell of gasoline and rubber, brake pads and the sounds and sensations of road racing violence so take note because you too could start talking and acting like someone who didn't just fly over the cuckoos nest but dropped in for an extended stay and like me you too will meet a nurse with a ratchet there's no way to avoid the ratchet Jay would be well served if he found the lowest mileage CYM out there and offered the buyer whatever it took and kept it for his grand kids
Certainly wouldn't be near the top of the food chain in his collection but it also would not be a bottom feeder. I'm not comparing the FD to a Ferrari GT0 250 (one of my favorites) but it's collector worthy and if Jay had any damn sense he'd sell that hideous new camaro SERIOUSLY jay WTF?
i do like the superior styling of the FD, the interior looks newer and cleaner laid out as well. but for long trips which i often take i actually would much rather prefer my roomy FC, it has more space all around.
the FDs are more tempermental due to the complexity of the twins and emissions system, tearing it apart and putting it back together without damaging something in the process is a feat.
point is, i'm just trying to give an objectional outside perspective from someone who drives all series of 7 daily and does not personally own an FD.
everyone wants to love their car and i am certainly not trying to take that away. as i mentioned i prefer the look of a nicely modded FD over a 100% bone stock, i think almost everyone does. unfortunately that takes it out of a "collector's realm".
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12-20-11, 02:51 PM
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i've had my FC for about 10 years and done all those things. the appearance and feel inside is definitely in a whole different category. but handling is very similar, weight of the cars similar, many things are very similar between the 2 once you modify them both. yes i'm sure someone is thinking "yeah right, FCs are total shitboxes compared to my FD". well, i have driven several hundred FDs, customers cars, many different types of setups, some tuning to 140+ mph, faster than even their owners have driven them and also find unknown to their owner's, issues with their cars.
i do like the superior styling of the FD, the interior looks newer and cleaner laid out as well. but for long trips which i often take i actually would much rather prefer my roomy FC, it has more space all around.
the FDs are more tempermental due to the complexity of the twins and emissions system, tearing it apart and putting it back together without damaging something in the process is a feat.
point is, i'm just trying to give an objectional outside perspective from someone who drives all series of 7 daily and does not personally own an FD.
everyone wants to love their car and i am certainly not trying to take that away. as i mentioned i prefer the look of a nicely modded FD over a 100% bone stock, i think almost everyone does. unfortunately that takes it out of a "collector's realm".
i do like the superior styling of the FD, the interior looks newer and cleaner laid out as well. but for long trips which i often take i actually would much rather prefer my roomy FC, it has more space all around.
the FDs are more tempermental due to the complexity of the twins and emissions system, tearing it apart and putting it back together without damaging something in the process is a feat.
point is, i'm just trying to give an objectional outside perspective from someone who drives all series of 7 daily and does not personally own an FD.
everyone wants to love their car and i am certainly not trying to take that away. as i mentioned i prefer the look of a nicely modded FD over a 100% bone stock, i think almost everyone does. unfortunately that takes it out of a "collector's realm".
I am glad you can appreciate the looks
I'm so used to working on them that it's no biggie but I've also never done any major work on piston cars.