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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 11:51 PM
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Everything has power! Car won't Crank or Start? What's up?

Alright, I have power to everything....

Radio, Lights, Windows, Dome LIghts, etc etc etc... everything is powered....

But the car wont crank at all....

Any suggestions, we are working on it as we speak...

Lemme know asap
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Battery is good, and so is the starter... and grounding.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:01 AM
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how did u check the grounding?
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:03 AM
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Is the starter making any noise?

Did you ever get that alarm problem sorted out?
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:09 AM
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the starter is making noise, and the power fc says it is getting 11.8v when its not trying to be started, and 11.6v when we try to start it...

alarm thing is sorted out...

The Vacuum box (behind the alternator) is making a rapid clicking noise when the car is trying to be started....

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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:17 AM
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Is there a main relay or something similar that he could have blown?

What is the equivilant of a distributor or ignitor on the RX7? ...how does he check that?
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:28 AM
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Also grounding was checked by using jumper cables and adding a ground from the negative terminal to the chasis and engine.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:29 AM
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this is the best pic i could get of the Power FC commander....in the sensors thing...maybe you experts can figure it out...(if you can read it)



the neutral light thing is blinking on and off (car is in neutral)

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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:44 AM
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what were you grounding? battery to chassie or chassie to engine?

also, do you got a manual or auto?
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:47 AM
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battery has it's normal negative terminal, and on top of it there are two jumper cables, one routing to the chasis, the other routing to a metal peice on the engine.

The car is a manual
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 07:39 AM
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You may want to check the "saftey" switch at the clutch pedal that won't allow it to start unless the clutch is depressed....it may be stuck....
just a thought....
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:06 PM
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Safety switch on the clutch? Is it even possible to start the car with the clutch depressed? Where is it at?

I was informed it was at the top of the clutch pedal, the Power FC says the clutch is engaged when you press it... does that mean the switch it where it should be?

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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:17 PM
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According to the manual, there are 2 switches located under the steering column that the clutch pedal operates....one is an "inhibitor" switch and the other is a switch that releases when the clutch is depressed...
If the car has been sitting a while, one or both may be stuck in one position......
some wd40 may help.....
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 12:21 PM
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Alright, I'll give it a look, and bring some WD40, I'll post as soon as I see if that's it....Thanks.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 01:23 PM
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Alright, two switches were found. One gets pushed in when the clutch is engaged, and the other gets depressed with it is engaged. THey work as opposites, they seam to be working just fine... anything else?
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 01:26 PM
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Did you check the engine fuses?
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 01:27 PM
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Engine fuses look fine, I checked the two boxes under the hood, and they are all good, They have relays in them, will those cause this problem?
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 05:30 PM
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The engine wont crank? So in other words, the engine isn't turning over at all right? Has the car been sitting up for a while? Does the starter make that clicking sound? Grab a wrench or socket and manualy turn over the engine at the alternator. This way you can make sure that the engine isn't locked down. This happend to my 12a few years back after I tried to start it and it wouldn't turn over at all. It had carbon lock.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 05:52 PM
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I had, or rather, still have, the same issue. My starter is dead though. It clicked like it wanted to start, but just wouldn't. Try getting up under the driver side, and hitting the starter with a hammer a few times, then try to start it. It did the trick for me. I only needed it to start once so I could drive it home, so I have no idea how long a dying one will work for.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 06:04 PM
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Those highlighted area is your TPS. Either you took it off and didn't put it back in correctly or you forget to connect it. It doesn't have anything to do with not wanting to crank though. You should still be able to crank but won't start since the ECU thinks you had the throttle at WOT instead of idle.




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this is the best pic i could get of the Power FC commander....in the sensors thing...maybe you experts can figure it out...(if you can read it)



the neutral light thing is blinking on and off (car is in neutral)
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 06:20 PM
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where would i find the TPS? i'll check and see if its plugged in
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 07:10 PM
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Its on the throttle body towards the wall.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 07:12 PM
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GOT THE CAR TO CRANK....WOOHOO
dosent want to start...to much fuel i'm assuming which goes perfect with the TPS thing...checking for it now...updates to come
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 07:21 PM
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Good to hear!
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 08:07 PM
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Push start it and pop the clutch!
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 08:11 PM
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These are my FC Commander REadings

Known Good Readings:
PIM 2.55v
VTA1 0.51v
VTA2 1.14v
VMOP 1.23v
WTRT 0.38v
AIRT 0.68v
FUEL 1.48v
O2S 0.01v

My Readings:
PIM 4.99v
VTA1 0.70v
VTA2 1.66v
VMOP 0.85v
WTRT 2.38v
AIRT 2.50v
FUEL 3.90v
O2S 0.01v

Any clue why my readings are so high?
I dont know how to fix this... car wont stay started... start's but dies instantly...

Help is appreciated,
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