Sprockett

yup...heard for sure today. The engine needs to be replaced. The engine the dealership installed COMPLETELY wrong is now dead.
Here's the bullshit...
They told my mom that they don't know if they will replace it under warrantee. Here's the basic conversation:

Ken the service manager:
"It needs a new engine"
Mom: "so you guys are going to take care of that free of charge, right? It's still under warrantee."
Ken: "We don't know yet...the car has non-stock parts installed"
Mom:"Like what?"
(GET READY FOR THIS)
Ken: "aftermarket seats"

WHAT THE ****?!

this goes on....
Mom: "You TOLD him to take it someplace else"
Ken: "No ma'am I never told him that"
(this was a blatant lie - he looked me right in the eye and told me that his mechanics did everything right and that I needed to take it to someone else to have a second opinion)
Mom: "YOU TOLD HIM TO TAKE IT SOMEPLACE ELSE"
Ken: "I never told him to put aftermarket parts on it"
Mom: "That's not what I said."
Ken: "Ma'am, I never said that they wouldn't do it...I just said that there might be a dispute because there are aftermarket parts."
Mom: "You WILL replace this engine"
Ken: "well, ma'am this really isn't a Thelen problem - this is a Mazda problem"
Mom: "Well it's going to BE a Thelen problem if you won't do this"
Ken: "well, ma'am I don't know what to tell you"
Mom:" Well, I just want you to know that I have given all of this information to my lawyer."

And that was about it......complete bullshit. 7 months, and 6,000 miles. Looks like I'm heading for LS1 territory in the future.

rynberg

They can't deny the warranty because of aftermarket seats. The legal onus is on them to prove that your modifications caused the engine to go.

BTW, installing even a stock LS1 will cost the same as 2.5-3 reman replacements (including labor) and will probably have more downtime than the total downtime of 2.5-3 engine R&Rs. Just my 2 cents.

rxrotary2_7

seats? LOL

7racer

Don't let them get away with this...

make sure you persue it to the fullest! At the very minimum get a lawyer to write a letter kindly stating the facts...that is usually enough to get there *** in gear...

Plus they deserve it for the stupid *** seat comment.

DaedelGT

Go get em. That would **** me off to no end.

GoodfellaFD3S

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So an incompetent bunch of monkeys worked on your FD, which led to a blown motor. Now you're going the V8 route. Something tells me the 13B ain't your problem, my man.......

GoRacer

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You need to actually find out if the engine is dead for sure from a race shop that you can actually trust and not one that just wants your money. I had a dealer put 5 quarts of oil in my touring and tell me my block was cracked and leaking and wanted a down payment on a new engine.

You only have part of what's going on in this thread. Was this a new purchase and under warranty? Mazda's warranty is only 50k mi and I beleive a time limit of 5 years (I think that's right). It sounds like the dealer offered one of those 30 day warranty's not knowing anything about rotarys. Call Mazda headquarters and then the lawyer. There is an article on the web about a guy suing the dealer under the lemon law and he got like $100k ...and then bought another 7.

Sprockett

I never said it was....I know it was the dealership's fault...this is not the only reason I want to go to the LS1

AMRAAM4

I've seen the vid of the LS1 in the RX7..nice work by Hanson's ( I think that is right), but on the other side of things I think it's ghey!

I thought most people bought 7's for their looks and their TT rotary. Guess I'm wrong....lets throw V8's in them now and be like the rest of the F-Bods and Rustangs

ROTARYFDTT

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DUDE Tyler that dealership is ******* retarded.

This is what we are doing. Towing the 7 down to Monroe. Have him to a compression test. I honestly don't trust this dealership to even do that properly.

Also, there is some law in place (read it here, don't remember what it is) that if the aftermarket "mod" has nothing to do with the part in question. They can't use that excuse to void the warranty. Maybe someone else can comment on it.

ROTARYFDTT

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Rich he really does everything he can but he doesn't get ANY help from anyone else aside from me. And its not easy going to school full time, paying for tuition, along with working and supporting 3 engines in 8 months.

give him a break man.

Sprockett

I'm sure most people did...I did. But I am getting tired of replacing engines, and i don't see this NOT being a constant thing in the future, especially with more mods and more boost.

You cannot even compare....a V8 powered Rx7 will not only own most rotary powered RX7s, it will outperform and outhandle ANYTHING else GM has to offer.

This is not a debate I want to get into here.....I have researched, thought about it, researched more, crunched numbers, etc.....I have almost made up my mind. It's a tough decision, and I am weighing all possibilities. Right now it just seems like the way to go - more reliable, more torque, cheaper to modify, better gas mileage, etc... anyway, I am here to talk about the bullshit I am going through right now.

Ryan, I'm either calling or visiting the ******** tomorrow and I am going to make them show me the compression test results. It'd be funny if they came back and told me that it was 0 on both rotors, seeing as how I started it and it ran under its own power.

ROTARYFDTT

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if you can get the Jeep and a trailor (which is easy and cheap) for the day. I can follow you down to Monroe.

Also whats the word on the GTI?

you going to be able to make class too, or am I gonna have to draw domo-crogoatsants to pass the time by myself.

FeatherTheClutch

wow there jerks....id jump over the counter and rip out there organs from there ***...but thats just me

clayne

"You cannot even compare....a V8 powered Rx7 will not only own most rotary powered RX7s, it will outperform and outhandle ANYTHING else GM has to offer."

Haha, *yawn*.

It's obvious you're one of the typical newschool FD bandwagon jumpers.

A hint: how about YOU deal with the dealership instead of your damn MOTHER?

I'm starting to believe more and more the issue is with the driver rather than the dealership.

ROTARYFDTT

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CORRECTION note the post count and how long he's been on the board. He's owned his FD for a year and a half. He's just tired of blowing motors. Also, the 7 was at home, he's at school which is a 2 hour drive from home. His cell phone was left at home, he has no long distance on his dorm phone, and has 4 classes a day and can't get to a phone to call them. And his FD was his mode of transportation. His parents work, and neither were willing to come pick him up to bring him home for the day. Neither was his girlfriend, he finally was able to get home tonight. hence the post, I would have taken him but his Mom came up.

Whats obvious, is you have no idea what your talking about. How about you stop making comments untill you completely know the situation.

clayne

I could give a **** about post count. I owned my FD before you even had your license, holmes.

And I've seen more than my fair share of people who should NOT be owning them.

ROTARYFDTT

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Good for you, I am glad you feel as though you can make it a point that you've owned your FD longer than another individual. If that would be the case that you've owned your FD longer than I've had my license. You clearly don't act your age.

But aside from that, you’re making completely false statements about him based. I was pointing out his post count and noting how long he's owned his FD to acknowledge the fact that your initial "opinion" that he being a "new-age" bandwagon FD owner is false. And I can assure you, he's not one of the yuppies running around with an FD just because they "heard" it was fast and it "looks good"

Seriously, how would you like to go through 3 motors in 8 months on your car, as well as the costs of paying for college? It would **** you off and cause you to explore other options as well. Don't sit there and comment about a situation you haven't experienced nor are fully aware of.

ummmmmm k

clayne

Alright,

Let's agree to just give him the benefit of the doubt then. But I gotta ask, *THREE* engines in 8 months?!

turbojeff

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Obviously he's never driven a Z06 or read about them either...

ROTARYFDTT

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I agree, Z06s are track monsters, I am working on that aspect with him.


ok I see your point. So let me break down the WHOLE situation. Basically his initial motor lasted him to about 118K. That was last fall around this time when it finally died. He not knowing any better took it to the Mazda dealership (being somewhat new to FDs, but none the less a mistake, but it happens). Which apparently have their heads up there asses more so than the typical dealership, EVEN when it comes with dealing with an FD. Search for his posts in the 3rd gen section, he gives a detailed description of his experiances with the dealership.

Basically they had his car for about 6 months. They ordered a new reman, and got it in the car but apparently it was a "bad motor". Probably wasn't, but regardless, that was motor number 2. They couldn't get the car to run properly so they ordered another reman......the one he has now. They finally got his car together and on the road. Aside from hooking up any of the vacuum lines and basically stuffing them behind things. So he got wind of the RX-7 shop here in Monroe and took it down there were everything was worked out. This was the previous spring. Now, this fall the motor apparently went to ****. So that was motor number 3. However I wouldn't doubt that they are either trying to **** him again, or can't even do a compression test properly.

The only reason his car was taken back to that dealership was to simply perform a compression test, that being the only Mazda dealership in his area. He also doesn't have the resources nor the time to take the 7 down to Monroe, otherwise it would have gone there. He gave them strict instructions not to do anything to his car aside from the compression test, which I am not even sure they can accurately accomplish.

also his car was running a DP, intake, cat-back, and M2 stage 3 ECU at the time and 11-12psi when the motor went.

Icemastr

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Obviously for someone so busy with college unless you have a lot of cash, which most college students dont, then owning a 3rd gne RX-7 in the first place is not a good idea. I have had 300-350rwhp out of my FD for quite a few months now and put over 10,000 miles on it, the car has only failed me twice, when I left the parking lights on and the teeny battery ran out of juice and when it was 120 degrees outside and I had to let my car sit for awhile too cool off. But I also spend a decent amount on my car, and with insurance, wanting to do mods, and maintenance the car is something that shouldnt be used as the only car you have if you NEED that car to be there every day. A full on V8 conversion isnt going to solve that problem either. When you make a car different then the manufacturer made it, your going to have problems, thats just a fact.

FeatherTheClutch

i agree ice mastr

cruiser

I find it hard to believe that the motor was running on its own power and yet its blown. Someone said he had to keep the revs above 1500RPM to keep it alive.

Don't trust them on the compression test. Take it somewhere else or something.

FeatherTheClutch

uh huh