Dropped the FD off for new paint..
01-11-04, 10:22 AM
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Re: Re: Dropped the FD off for new paint..
Originally posted by allrotor93
glad to see that you are finally using the front end. those wheels look good.
glad to see that you are finally using the front end. those wheels look good.
My wife hated riding in it with 3 colors...I think she felt like she was riding in a honda project.
Shawn
01-11-04, 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by manatecu
Yes those are east bears sorta. I now consider them my own creation. I am spoiled riding in my land rover with HID lights. I was starting to think my H9 bulbs were sucking. I recently rode in a 7 with stock lights and OMG mazda screwed us badly in the lighting department. Shawn and I have both upgraded to 90mm Hella's.
Yes those are east bears sorta. I now consider them my own creation. I am spoiled riding in my land rover with HID lights. I was starting to think my H9 bulbs were sucking. I recently rode in a 7 with stock lights and OMG mazda screwed us badly in the lighting department. Shawn and I have both upgraded to 90mm Hella's.
Do you have the regular Hella's or did you upgrade to HID's?
01-11-04, 11:22 AM
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The hellas are standard ballasts with H9 bulbs. Its a night and day difference. The standard ballasts can be upgraded to HID with the Philips D2s bulbs and a little piece cut out of the ballast. So for about 250, they can be converted to HID I just havn't got around to it.
Chris
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01-11-04, 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by manatecu
The hellas are standard ballasts with H9 bulbs. Its a night and day difference. The standard ballasts can be upgraded to HID with the Philips D2s bulbs and a little piece cut out of the ballast. So for about 250, they can be converted to HID I just havn't got around to it.
Chris
The hellas are standard ballasts with H9 bulbs. Its a night and day difference. The standard ballasts can be upgraded to HID with the Philips D2s bulbs and a little piece cut out of the ballast. So for about 250, they can be converted to HID I just havn't got around to it.
Chris
I'm thinking of selling my Catz HID's and E-Spec lenses for the upcoming rotary extreme sleepy eye kit which uses the same Hella's.
01-11-04, 11:42 AM
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i didnt think people would actually change there color to white. Most people are too fond of white on cars. I feel it gets too dirty looking too soon.
01-11-04, 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by fastcarfreak
i didnt think people would actually change there color to white. Most people are too fond of white on cars. I feel it gets too dirty looking too soon.
i didnt think people would actually change there color to white. Most people are too fond of white on cars. I feel it gets too dirty looking too soon.
01-11-04, 12:06 PM
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Can someone tell me why people's cars are sitting at paint shops for MONTHS at a time?? A gentleman on my other car forum painted his own vehicle at his place of work (he works for a company that paints the big caterpillars and forklifts) over a 24 hor marathon session on a weekend. That was from start to almost complete finish, believe he had buffing left to do.
01-11-04, 12:51 PM
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Earl Scheib will also paint your car in an afternoon, but you'll have overspray in all the jambs and on weatherstripping, not to mention suspension components, and possibly the wheels and tires, because people who paint that quickly aren't taking their time to mask properly. Good masking takes time.
You'll also have all the dings and dents you already had because they didn't take the time to straighten the car before painting it. Duraglas or Bondo takes time to dry, harden, shape (if necessary), and sand. That doesn't happen immediately. Good body work takes time.
If the car is disassembled at all, like mine was, the doors, hood, and hatch come off the car, all the interior and trim has to be removed, the engine bay has to be totally stripped and painted, and then everything has to be put back together after the paint has set up and partially cured. Disassembly and reassembly takes time.
As with almost everything else, you get what you pay for. If you get a cheap deal and they're going to bang the car out in a day or two, you'd better be prepared to live with some of your dings and dents and a so-so paint job. If you want the car flawless, you'd better be prepared to wait for a month or so. It depends on what is involved with what you want to have done. You can paint a car in an afternoon, but it's my experience that it will look like it was painted in an afternoon. Or you can take your time, do it right, and it'll look like you spent twice what it actually cost.
You'll also have all the dings and dents you already had because they didn't take the time to straighten the car before painting it. Duraglas or Bondo takes time to dry, harden, shape (if necessary), and sand. That doesn't happen immediately. Good body work takes time.
If the car is disassembled at all, like mine was, the doors, hood, and hatch come off the car, all the interior and trim has to be removed, the engine bay has to be totally stripped and painted, and then everything has to be put back together after the paint has set up and partially cured. Disassembly and reassembly takes time.
As with almost everything else, you get what you pay for. If you get a cheap deal and they're going to bang the car out in a day or two, you'd better be prepared to live with some of your dings and dents and a so-so paint job. If you want the car flawless, you'd better be prepared to wait for a month or so. It depends on what is involved with what you want to have done. You can paint a car in an afternoon, but it's my experience that it will look like it was painted in an afternoon. Or you can take your time, do it right, and it'll look like you spent twice what it actually cost.
01-11-04, 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
Earl Scheib will also paint your car in an afternoon, but you'll have overspray in all the jambs and on weatherstripping, not to mention suspension components, and possibly the wheels and tires, because people who paint that quickly aren't taking their time to mask properly. Good masking takes time.
You'll also have all the dings and dents you already had because they didn't take the time to straighten the car before painting it. Duraglas or Bondo takes time to dry, harden, shape (if necessary), and sand. That doesn't happen immediately. Good body work takes time.
If the car is disassembled at all, like mine was, the doors, hood, and hatch come off the car, all the interior and trim has to be removed, the engine bay has to be totally stripped and painted, and then everything has to be put back together after the paint has set up and partially cured. Disassembly and reassembly takes time.
As with almost everything else, you get what you pay for. If you get a cheap deal and they're going to bang the car out in a day or two, you'd better be prepared to live with some of your dings and dents and a so-so paint job. If you want the car flawless, you'd better be prepared to wait for a month or so. It depends on what is involved with what you want to have done. You can paint a car in an afternoon, but it's my experience that it will look like it was painted in an afternoon. Or you can take your time, do it right, and it'll look like you spent twice what it actually cost.
Earl Scheib will also paint your car in an afternoon, but you'll have overspray in all the jambs and on weatherstripping, not to mention suspension components, and possibly the wheels and tires, because people who paint that quickly aren't taking their time to mask properly. Good masking takes time.
You'll also have all the dings and dents you already had because they didn't take the time to straighten the car before painting it. Duraglas or Bondo takes time to dry, harden, shape (if necessary), and sand. That doesn't happen immediately. Good body work takes time.
If the car is disassembled at all, like mine was, the doors, hood, and hatch come off the car, all the interior and trim has to be removed, the engine bay has to be totally stripped and painted, and then everything has to be put back together after the paint has set up and partially cured. Disassembly and reassembly takes time.
As with almost everything else, you get what you pay for. If you get a cheap deal and they're going to bang the car out in a day or two, you'd better be prepared to live with some of your dings and dents and a so-so paint job. If you want the car flawless, you'd better be prepared to wait for a month or so. It depends on what is involved with what you want to have done. You can paint a car in an afternoon, but it's my experience that it will look like it was painted in an afternoon. Or you can take your time, do it right, and it'll look like you spent twice what it actually cost.
I agree, but also, a very good job takes no more than a week...period, end of story. I use to detail at a dealership next to the body shop.
01-11-04, 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by AMRAAM4
I agree, but also, a very good job takes no more than a week...period, end of story.
I agree, but also, a very good job takes no more than a week...period, end of story.
I use to detail at a dealership next to the body shop.
01-11-04, 01:30 PM
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I'm impressed that a vet like you can continue to drag out an argument to prove a point that is ******* retarded. I included that I use to detail next to a body shop so that it showed I have experience with body shop practice...and if you were being like an 18 year old and thinking that equals the type of person and job I have now, I'll be more than happy to share with you my current employment and tasks
If you like to have your car sit at a shop for months because you feel your getting "the best" job, good for you, your a sucker. Me, I search for the quality I want, then get prices. When it is time to get the job done I plan an appointment for my work, if they tell me to drop it off on Friday and it will be done in a month I say "Thanks, your help was appreciated"....and I move to my next choice. I'm not going to screw around with a shop that is going to work on my car in spots here and there. I want someone who is going to take the car in, focus on it, and get it done. Not jerk around with it in spots here and there while they are farting around with a slew of other work they have...THAT is asking for trouble.
...if you don't like my OPINION on this matter, fine, but try not to answer like a know-it-all child.
If you like to have your car sit at a shop for months because you feel your getting "the best" job, good for you, your a sucker. Me, I search for the quality I want, then get prices. When it is time to get the job done I plan an appointment for my work, if they tell me to drop it off on Friday and it will be done in a month I say "Thanks, your help was appreciated"....and I move to my next choice. I'm not going to screw around with a shop that is going to work on my car in spots here and there. I want someone who is going to take the car in, focus on it, and get it done. Not jerk around with it in spots here and there while they are farting around with a slew of other work they have...THAT is asking for trouble.
...if you don't like my OPINION on this matter, fine, but try not to answer like a know-it-all child.
01-11-04, 01:54 PM
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Wow guys, you are getting down right nasty in here. I agree on each side, it dose take longer to do it right,(right i mean no flaws) but should not take a month if you focus on it. But still i think that it is cool that everyone is making the car look good as well as run good. not like the hondas where they can not seem to get ether. Makes ya feel better about owning one.
01-11-04, 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by AMRAAM4
I'm impressed that a vet like you can continue to drag out an argument to prove a point that is ******* retarded.
I'm impressed that a vet like you can continue to drag out an argument to prove a point that is ******* retarded.
I included that I use to detail next to a body shop so that it showed I have experience with body shop practice.
01-11-04, 02:23 PM
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95% of the people getting a repaint don't need, nor want to pay for, a SEMA quality paint. If you read my post before I agreed with the book you wrote, but it isn't logical for most people.
My current resume includes analyzing system safety for equipment that defends your freedom, I'm sorry if I have not completed an automotive paint job before and you don't approve of my resume
5560 posts, some bushings, and a car that still isn't done....I know you have more people on your side here because your a vet, I know how the internet works so I will drop out of this thread, but forgive me if I do not bow. Feel free to get one more "shot" in
My current resume includes analyzing system safety for equipment that defends your freedom, I'm sorry if I have not completed an automotive paint job before and you don't approve of my resume
5560 posts, some bushings, and a car that still isn't done....I know you have more people on your side here because your a vet, I know how the internet works so I will drop out of this thread, but forgive me if I do not bow. Feel free to get one more "shot" in
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01-11-04, 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by JTmoney
Hey shawn, where are you in NC? What shop are you getting it done at?
Hey shawn, where are you in NC? What shop are you getting it done at?
Price wasnt a consideration one way or another really. And I will not be showing this car when I am done - my plans are to put this car on a raceway 2-3 times a year so really any old stuff covering the metal would be fine for slamming into a trackwall or 2.
I want it to be right and after I met with 3 local shops (who were all about the same price and quoted me 2 weeks for the whole job) I took the hour drive there to meet with him. He looked ay my car pointing out all the things I saw that needed attention as well as a few I hadnt noticed (in the 18 months I have been working on every inch of the car). He then showed me a couple cars he had done including an old chevelle that had been saws-alled to fit huge drag wheels on it. He had repaired the car back to stock and it looked flawless. That car went to a classic car show and won soon after.
He quoted me a price and told me how long he thought it would take him. I accepted his terms/time estimate. Bottom line is I know I will be happy with the finished product. He does these projects on the side because he loves to do them - not because of the money. I would much rather have someone who is passionate about their work than working a job.
Shawn
01-11-04, 04:12 PM
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Ohh, ok JW. Cause, I had my ZO6 painted at a shop here in winston that did alot of classic cars and custom cars and wondering if it might had been the same shop. I am kinda thinking about painting my own car. I still need paint gun and all the other suplies but I have a big air compressor. But, I'm gonna try on my dads cheap car and make sure its gonna look good before I do mine. But, I have painted bumpers and stuff on some of my beater car and turned out good. I just wonder. After you paint it and after the paint bakes and dry's. Do you wet sand the paint before you clear coat or after? If anyone knows it would help.
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01-11-04, 04:30 PM
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Let me take this opportunity to rant a bit...
Now as far as the other stuff going on in this thread....
I have now spent about 2 years on this forum. Without it I would not have been able to do the project I have almost completed. The list of people who have helped me from here is very long. I have tried to give that type of help back to those I could and that is the type of activity that I think makes this forum awesome. I thank each and every participant for that help!
As seen above though there are some things about the forum that could use a little work. I often find that it is where opinions don’t match we see the ugliest part of the forum. It is almost like we need some sort of moderator that will negotiate a pleasant solution between 2 people. Time and time again I see these things degrade into - well you know.
Here are my thoughts on how this thread went.
Shawnk - getting my car painted - woohoo!
FD3Boost - man I had a bad experience when I got my car painted - I sure hope you don’t get the same treatment.
Bigmack000 - We (the forum) are here to support you - it is going to look great!!
(now here is the first speed bump)
r0gu3 - Even though I don’t know anything about bigmak000's car or situation I am going to take this perfect opportunity to tell him how low MY opinion of his car is - I mean really what the **** was he thinking when he got that car - he should just go blow his head off with a shotgun right now.
Keep in mind I am not picking on anyone..just interpreting the facts...so we continue.
dubcaps - Come on guys we can get along cant we...let me see if I can get this thread back on track...
(I give you props dub..good try )
Bigmack000 - I am not taking this crap from a loser on the forum- I'll show him.
(And now for the first instructive part of this thread)
Bigmack000 - You (as well as all of us 3rdgen'rs) have one of most incredible sports cars ever made. That alone is something to be proud of. I don’t know anything about you other than this thread and it is my guess (from what I read) that you have done well for yourself and probably have a lot of stuff to be proud of. You know what those things are and no one will be taking those things away from you. Don’t let people like r0gu3 bring you down to their level. If you want to respond just let them know it is a work in progress or "thanks for the opinion". Have confidence in yourself and don’t let punks (let me define punk - someone who is unnecessarily negative and does not allow for other people's opinion) bring you down.
(Back to the thread)
Shawnk - good try dubcaps - lets see if I can bring thread back on track.
Manatecu - makes his comment pointing out how good the rims that used to be on his car makes mine look..
(Thanks for selling me the rims!!)
Here the thread gets back on track until - uh oh - did he say "eastbear" - lookout! As we all have seen this is another of those words that starts one of those things...
(Golden nugget of this thread)
Bottom line anyone has the right to anything to their car that they want to. Eastbear - V8 (nudge nudge Jim were you falling asleep) or even not have an rx7 at all(where is joeyd these days). On the other hand everyone can have their opinion about these things and we do have freedom of speech right? But why be negative? Who are you helping? Who are you hurting? If you don’t like it be constructive or just decide you are not doing that and move on.
I can tell that I have taken many peoples advice on this forum about what to do with my car and none of it came from negative sources - I generally ignore those comments (except when they are brought to my thread I guess).
Now as far as the last speed bump.
Jim- you know there are people on this forum that will never understand or accept your opinions about your project. I sometimes have a huge respect for your ability to keep coming back and keep trying to discuss these issues on this forum. You know better than anyone that this makes you a constant target for negativity. But other times I would like to see you to change you tactics a bit. What you have been doing seems to spur them on. I have no idea how old you are but I am guessing for some reason you are older than my 33 years. (from your experienced opinions, thought out positions, and many good contributions to the community). If you were young I would say have some confidence - to any other age I would say show some wisdom. For example - in this thread AMRAAM4 is clearly the punk (defined above). You both basically agree on the matter but he has not allowed for real world facts to work into his brillant "never ever ever take longer than a week" theory. Your first response should have been the high road like "A week in a perfect world is a good estimate but there are many many factors that could make it longer - even as long as a month like shawnk says". That is the way you could have made a positive contribution the forum - but instead it went the other way and you let him bring you down. The reason I am specifically writing to you is because I think you often get the short end of the stick. There are too many people in this forum who contribute negativity and not enough who contribute as positively as you do. Of course you are free to interact with everyone in any way you want to. I believe however that negative stuff subtracts from the community and I know you don’t want to do that. Don’t let him drag the whole forum down.
Bottom line. (And please keep in mind this is only my opinion and you are free to constructively disagree with it)
We are all here to share info on rx7's. No need to agree with everything that is said here, but no need to be negative either. Respect other people’s opinions and when you think they are wrong about something ignore it or setout to constructively help them come to the right opinion.
I spent this last hour typing and retyping this post and am still not happy with it but I hope I have gotten my point across which is-
I am happy to be a part of the community - I for one will work to make it a better one and I hope that others will too.
Now let’s see how well I spent that last hour of my life...
I have now spent about 2 years on this forum. Without it I would not have been able to do the project I have almost completed. The list of people who have helped me from here is very long. I have tried to give that type of help back to those I could and that is the type of activity that I think makes this forum awesome. I thank each and every participant for that help!
As seen above though there are some things about the forum that could use a little work. I often find that it is where opinions don’t match we see the ugliest part of the forum. It is almost like we need some sort of moderator that will negotiate a pleasant solution between 2 people. Time and time again I see these things degrade into - well you know.
Here are my thoughts on how this thread went.
Shawnk - getting my car painted - woohoo!
FD3Boost - man I had a bad experience when I got my car painted - I sure hope you don’t get the same treatment.
Bigmack000 - We (the forum) are here to support you - it is going to look great!!
(now here is the first speed bump)
r0gu3 - Even though I don’t know anything about bigmak000's car or situation I am going to take this perfect opportunity to tell him how low MY opinion of his car is - I mean really what the **** was he thinking when he got that car - he should just go blow his head off with a shotgun right now.
Keep in mind I am not picking on anyone..just interpreting the facts...so we continue.
dubcaps - Come on guys we can get along cant we...let me see if I can get this thread back on track...
(I give you props dub..good try
)Bigmack000 - I am not taking this crap from a loser on the forum- I'll show him.
(And now for the first instructive part of this thread)
Bigmack000 - You (as well as all of us 3rdgen'rs) have one of most incredible sports cars ever made. That alone is something to be proud of. I don’t know anything about you other than this thread and it is my guess (from what I read) that you have done well for yourself and probably have a lot of stuff to be proud of. You know what those things are and no one will be taking those things away from you. Don’t let people like r0gu3 bring you down to their level. If you want to respond just let them know it is a work in progress or "thanks for the opinion". Have confidence in yourself and don’t let punks (let me define punk - someone who is unnecessarily negative and does not allow for other people's opinion) bring you down.
(Back to the thread)
Shawnk - good try dubcaps - lets see if I can bring thread back on track.
Manatecu - makes his comment pointing out how good the rims that used to be on his car makes mine look..
(Thanks for selling me the rims!!)
Here the thread gets back on track until - uh oh - did he say "eastbear" - lookout! As we all have seen this is another of those words that starts one of those things...
(Golden nugget of this thread)
Bottom line anyone has the right to anything to their car that they want to. Eastbear - V8 (nudge nudge Jim were you falling asleep) or even not have an rx7 at all(where is joeyd these days). On the other hand everyone can have their opinion about these things and we do have freedom of speech right? But why be negative? Who are you helping? Who are you hurting? If you don’t like it be constructive or just decide you are not doing that and move on.
I can tell that I have taken many peoples advice on this forum about what to do with my car and none of it came from negative sources - I generally ignore those comments (except when they are brought to my thread I guess).
Now as far as the last speed bump.
Jim- you know there are people on this forum that will never understand or accept your opinions about your project. I sometimes have a huge respect for your ability to keep coming back and keep trying to discuss these issues on this forum. You know better than anyone that this makes you a constant target for negativity. But other times I would like to see you to change you tactics a bit. What you have been doing seems to spur them on. I have no idea how old you are but I am guessing for some reason you are older than my 33 years. (from your experienced opinions, thought out positions, and many good contributions to the community). If you were young I would say have some confidence - to any other age I would say show some wisdom. For example - in this thread AMRAAM4 is clearly the punk (defined above). You both basically agree on the matter but he has not allowed for real world facts to work into his brillant "never ever ever take longer than a week" theory. Your first response should have been the high road like "A week in a perfect world is a good estimate but there are many many factors that could make it longer - even as long as a month like shawnk says". That is the way you could have made a positive contribution the forum - but instead it went the other way and you let him bring you down. The reason I am specifically writing to you is because I think you often get the short end of the stick. There are too many people in this forum who contribute negativity and not enough who contribute as positively as you do. Of course you are free to interact with everyone in any way you want to. I believe however that negative stuff subtracts from the community and I know you don’t want to do that. Don’t let him drag the whole forum down.
Bottom line. (And please keep in mind this is only my opinion and you are free to constructively disagree with it)
We are all here to share info on rx7's. No need to agree with everything that is said here, but no need to be negative either. Respect other people’s opinions and when you think they are wrong about something ignore it or setout to constructively help them come to the right opinion.
I spent this last hour typing and retyping this post and am still not happy with it but I hope I have gotten my point across which is-
I am happy to be a part of the community - I for one will work to make it a better one and I hope that others will too.
Now let’s see how well I spent that last hour of my life...
01-11-04, 04:53 PM
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So your calling me a "punk"...very good way to follow your own advice. You don't know me, and for you to psychoanalyze me is completely assinine. Like I said, weak schmucks here will obviously follow the person with over 5000 posts....ignorant to the knowledge I may have in my past with cars, life, other members of this forum (ErnieT, rotor_dee). This is why you have to love the internet, because it magically allows people who never knew each other exist connect on a basis where you know everythign about that person and their experiences, personality....****, you probably even know what I had for breakfast today or how much $$ is left in my checking account. Now, when I first started reading this post I was thinkg "gee, rice-a-roni driving around with 3 different color body pieces for that long", but I didn't jump to conclusions on you being a poor, ricer punk did I?? But you feel the need to call ME a punk because I expect an acceptable paint job done in 1 week 
I think you understand what I'm saying...and I think your last loooong post is a lump of hypocricy. People need to start looking at themselves before they start pointing out **** about others. And if you look at my very first post in this thread, it was not an aggressive statement toward anyone!! In fact, neither was my second....all I see is smart *** responses from jimlab until I felt the need to explain. But alas, you turn around and defend him
I think you understand what I'm saying...and I think your last loooong post is a lump of hypocricy. People need to start looking at themselves before they start pointing out **** about others. And if you look at my very first post in this thread, it was not an aggressive statement toward anyone!! In fact, neither was my second....all I see is smart *** responses from jimlab until I felt the need to explain. But alas, you turn around and defend him
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01-11-04, 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by RX7SpiritR
My car sat in paint shop for about 5 months. But look at how it turned out, from montego blue to white!
My car sat in paint shop for about 5 months. But look at how it turned out, from montego blue to white!