GoodfellaFD3S

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Who cares, el Jimbo? It has rotors. That is what *should* be in the car, dadgummit !

jimlab

So let me get this straight... the fact that it weighs more than a V8 to begin with, coupled with extra weight from the turbo and a front mount intercooler doesn't matter because it has rotors... interesting.

bigmack000

cause as you have seen if you can't take that one letter and put it in its rigth place i really dont give a ****.but i try it was also my last post before i went to bed so yeah hows this one goin for yeah good .

edit: yes i do look at my keyboard when i type lol. my gf rags on me for doin that.
joel

Red-Rx7

Jim-

I am not sure. I will find out when I get it all complete. I will have it weighed (at the best truck stop around! Ha Ha Ha). Well, I attempt to use an accurate scale and hopefully setup a time to have it on a corner scale.

Maybe I will make a new law simular to the law of gravity. Instead of "all things that go up, must come down", it would be "all things that go forward I will have something to go backwards".

We will see. I have put quite a few other things into the car as well that I would think would counter balance any of that extra weight up front. But until I actually get the whole thing on a scale, I cant really say. It isn't cool to magazine race when I simply don't know.

unixpilot

Good gravy! Will someone PLLLLEEEASE start a seperate V8 Rx-7 forum so we don't have to hear this **** all the time.


But I guess the four or so people who actually have V8 FD's that move under their own power would get bored pretty quick.

Oh well welcome the Rx-7Club.com (as the banner states) "The worlds largest ROTARY Community"

GoodfellaFD3S

iTrader: (213)

I feel a tart retort from Meestor LaBreck coming shortly

RotorMotor

iTrader: (5)

woa, woa... dont jump the gun here... a 20b doesnt weigh NEARLY as much as a V8 .... with the stock twins the 20b should weigh in at around 70lbs more than the 13b (im hopefully pulling my 20b in a few weeks so ill give everyone a definate answer when i weigh it compared to the 13b). then add in the FMIC, aluminum radiator and a few other things and youve got the weight. im moving my battery to the trunk to help ofset some of the weight..... the weight distribution should be ok (if not ill go on a diet, or get real fat depending on where the weight needs to go )

turbojeff

iTrader: (30)

I've never heard of any really bad *** 20b cars except for maybe PFS conversion that was in Car and Driver. It seems they are mostly for show. Is the fastest 20b car in the 9s yet?

A COMPLETE 13BREW with all accesories is about 390lbs IIRC. So that makes a complete 20b around 450-500lbs? Sounds like that is V8 weight teritory. IRON SBC weigh 550lbs, Ford V8 is about 450lbs. Using an aluminum block and head LS1 will put the Chevy almost the same as the 20b but with less torque.

Sparkey

how often do you see vipers and lambo's and ferrari's rolling around. With the mods you would have to do it would be hard put to find something that could be you and plus when it does happen and you do lose or if you lose then you got beat by a car that was well over 100 grand and your car was 15 grand with around 10 grand in mods so I think you will come out the winner.

jimlab

I only respond to people intelligent enough to know when they've lost the debate... unixpilot falls into the Christi/Razorback/Zerobanger category...

jimlab

My 20B was 561 lbs. on its pallet with water pump, alternator, intake to the throttle body, stock turbos and cast iron manifolds. Subtracting 20-25 lbs. for the pallet, it's still heavier than an LT1 with full accessories and cast iron exhaust manifolds (about 520 lbs.) or an LS1 with the same (about 460 lbs.).

Besides, I thought I remembered you posting elsewhere that a complete 13B-REW weighed around 430 lbs.

unixpilot

Sounds like good company to me

I love that "The 7 can't loose!" tagline


Btw, I think "most" of the intelligent FD owner's/enthusiats here would agree that a modded FD will not domintate a Viper. With anything you reach a point of dimishing returns. (which for your car was about 1998)

My pet peev is why do you always dig up the V8 vs Wankel debate in EVERY SINGLE thread?


As I said, just how many running V8 FD's are there?

turbojeff

iTrader: (30)

Well to be honest I thought it was around 400lbs, but if you want to DIG around in your monster thread you should be able to find it. The post would have been made around 5/02 or so.

jimlab

I suspect your favorite truck scale isn't 100% accurate, but 410 lbs. is close enough.

SNracing

according to this, the fastest 20b is in the 7's

http://www.rx7.com/racing/content/times.html

Red-Rx7

Thats also 2 years old.

Odd enough, the times haven't improved all that much. Abel is running 6.95 @ 199.4X mph right now.

RotorMotor

iTrader: (5)

so weight wise am i hearing that a v8 is a better choice?? not that i would even consider not doing the 20b at this point, but i be surprized if a V8 turned out to be a better swap.... just one more stake in the heart of the rotary i suppose.... maybe an aluminum block piston engine is a better choice (in general) to the rotary......whatever, if this rotary boat is sinking ill be the one going down with it!!!

turbojeff

iTrader: (30)

Ok, I'm a dumbass.

turbojeff

iTrader: (30)

I designed a scale system for the bar code scanner in the local grocery store and I'm familiar with the rules and regs for that type of scale. I can also look up the regs for a truck scale cause I'm tired of this BS about truck scales.

The truck scale I use can weigh an entire FD or pick-up but it can only weigh a semi 1-2 axles at a time.

liavb21

you guys gotta do what I do, If I lose a race w/ my FD, I run home and get my cbr 954 and smoke them on one wheel!!(best mod I ever bought!)

jimlab

I don't know about "better", but "equally good" is probably fair.

My point was that many people automatically assume that a V8 swap throws off the balance, handling, and weight distribution of the car, (without any concrete proof, mind you, but they just know it has to, because all those cubic inches simply must weigh more...) yet no one ever questions a 20B swap simply because it's a rotary, and therefore it's fine if it has all the same drawbacks. It's a double-standard that makes no logical sense, not that I expect to see a lot of either one displayed on this forum.

It wasn't my intent to imply that there was anything wrong with your 20B swap (or any 20B swap, for that matter). I was just joking around about the on-going weight distribution dispute surrounding V8 swaps, because even if the weights of the two engines were equal, you obviously have a big single turbo and FMIC hanging in front of your engine that I and others with V8s don't.

jimlab

I assumed you were talking about privately owned street cars, personally. If we're going to talk about all-out tube frame chassis, funny car-style body, domestic drivetrain, sponsored drag cars, then the quickest V8 cars runs high 4s @ 310+ mph...

GoodfellaFD3S

iTrader: (213)

Exactamundo. Hm, I might have to put this quote in my sig

WaachBack

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Yea know what u mean, where im from, people dont care about what it is, they care about what it can do.... Also i cant comment on the track because we kinda dont have one here in hawaii, only like 5 strips. I know if i put like 1k into suspension i would be able to keep up with 30k cars on the track. But any way Im looking to get an FD and i dont care if its just a mazda, they are the **** and i would be the only one on the island with one. BTW I have a CRX Si not a civic....

BigIslandSevens

iTrader: (4)

What island? There are ALOT of FD"S out here in Hawaii!. More than you would think. I was very suprised. I don't know an exact # but there are 10 i know of on the BIG Island., a bunch on Oahu and a few i can think of on Maui. Aloha, Dave Shoot me a PM if yu want....P.S. I know of a few for sale rite now!( already out here too)