do you 'got lean'?
08-12-11, 03:45 PM
#252
I meant no offence at all. I cant even wrap my head around the fact people like body roll.
I can understand coilovers and r comps and 3 wheeling, thats cool.
but stock suspension lean?
in my entire life i have never even HEARD of people liking body roll.
I can understand coilovers and r comps and 3 wheeling, thats cool.
but stock suspension lean?
in my entire life i have never even HEARD of people liking body roll.
08-12-11, 04:10 PM
#254
It's ok. I've never understood why you'd take a great handling car, degrade the suspension geometry by "slamming" the car and slide around to look cool. Alas, everyone has their own hobbies and their own directions they take with cars to hopefully find joy in their cars. Some of us try to make them faster and better, others want to look cool. You can break either one down and make them seem stupid. 
08-13-11, 12:23 AM
#256
i totally agree with you guys though. hellaflush can be very stupid.
and my car isnt even slammed, the kit and 18's give an illusion. take off the aero and i have a rockcrawler.
im not single opinioned towards anything, i can love and appreciate almost every kind of vehicle and sport out there.
but i "just dont get". why you guys are getting hardons over pics of stock suspension and cars looking like theyre about to roll over. Unless i missed something and this is post your body roll because its amusing thread.
if someone could shed some light/explain to me id be more then happy to listen.
and my car isnt even slammed, the kit and 18's give an illusion. take off the aero and i have a rockcrawler.
im not single opinioned towards anything, i can love and appreciate almost every kind of vehicle and sport out there.
but i "just dont get". why you guys are getting hardons over pics of stock suspension and cars looking like theyre about to roll over. Unless i missed something and this is post your body roll because its amusing thread.
if someone could shed some light/explain to me id be more then happy to listen.
08-13-11, 02:39 AM
#257
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Not all body roll is a bad thing. The change of camber is the part that is unwanted. So, body roll directly doesn't translate to bad weight transfer if you take CG and lateral acceleration into consideration.
Another thing to take into consideration is that a suspension set up that allows some body roll can take unwanted load off the tires. Tires are heated by friction with the ground and flexing of the tire carcass and tread. When you throw more load on them they will get hotter as they flex and scrub against the ground. This happens under braking, cornering, and acceleration. A stiffer suspension can make the tire itself do more of the work in absorbing roll forces (the only way your suspension can fight roll is by pushing down on the outside tires, if your suspension is stiff, the tires will do the flexing, like F1). The harder you corner (more g's you pull) the more weight will be transferred. The softer your tires, the more the sidewall and treadblocks flex, the more heat is generated. You can have a fairly flat car that loads the tires up more than a car that rolls over on the door handles, but it all gets complicated by alignment and suspension geometry, so the opposite can be true as well. It comes down to what setup generates more overall grip.
With that said (and a lot was said); we just like seeing our cars achieving high lateral acceleration with the suspension doing its job. Controlled body roll if you will.
Another thing to take into consideration is that a suspension set up that allows some body roll can take unwanted load off the tires. Tires are heated by friction with the ground and flexing of the tire carcass and tread. When you throw more load on them they will get hotter as they flex and scrub against the ground. This happens under braking, cornering, and acceleration. A stiffer suspension can make the tire itself do more of the work in absorbing roll forces (the only way your suspension can fight roll is by pushing down on the outside tires, if your suspension is stiff, the tires will do the flexing, like F1). The harder you corner (more g's you pull) the more weight will be transferred. The softer your tires, the more the sidewall and treadblocks flex, the more heat is generated. You can have a fairly flat car that loads the tires up more than a car that rolls over on the door handles, but it all gets complicated by alignment and suspension geometry, so the opposite can be true as well. It comes down to what setup generates more overall grip.
With that said (and a lot was said); we just like seeing our cars achieving high lateral acceleration with the suspension doing its job. Controlled body roll if you will.
08-16-11, 02:55 AM
#262
Here's mine lol. This is from an event at MSR-Cresson when I was on the Koni Yellows and H&R springs. Needless to say I upgraded after this event, currently running Tein HAs thanks to Brent . Unfortunately I've only gotten to try them out at one event due to personal priorities at the moment (fiance and kids lol) and don't have any events planned in the forseeable future. 
. Unfortunately I've only gotten to try them out at one event due to personal priorities at the moment (fiance and kids lol) and don't have any events planned in the forseeable future. 
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