Cut people a break.
Originally Posted by hanknmorgan
I would like to say something to all 3rd gen owners. Considering that I myself am rather new to the forums here, take this however you want. I have been reading and learning a lot on these forums, but I cant stand that every time someone asks a question 10 people jump all over them for asking something that has already been asked. That's the whole point of these forums for people to ask and learn and have fun. Since everything about these cars that can be possibly be talked about has probably already been covered somewhere, sometime, we should all have no questions left. So why not just close the forum and turn it into a research archive with a search button. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just think people need to realize that at one point they had no idea what they were talking about at all either. Be considerate of people asking a question that was covered 6 months ago. They probably werent here and dont know. In the same time you roasted them with some smart "SEARCH BUTTON" comment you could have answered their question and made their day. And, not to down the almighty search button, but sometimes it is difficult to sort through a lot of search results to find what you were looking for. Thats all this site is. People with more knowledge helping those with less. We all learn, we all have fun, and we all become equipped to keep these special cars on the road. Let's not be like every other forum out there that just bashes people for asking something stupid. If they knew the answer or how to find it, they wouldnt ask. Remember it's only a stupid question to you. That said, thank you everyone for all of your info. This site is awesome and we are all lucky to have it. Just keep it friendly and the more FD owners the better. Dont run off new people with stupid unhelpful comments. Take care.
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Max, Damon & Adam.....
I totally see your point and I guess I didnt really see it that way before. I think a lot of the roasting IS well deserved most of the time. I guess a few decent questions just catch greif because of the majority are bad. The second grade typing and grammer skills are really obnoxious. I too am more of a lurker and just read and only ask if I have to. I can find most of what I want to know. I wasnt looking for a reformation of the forum or anything with this thread, I guess I just didnt understand why so many people keep blasting others for "How much HP, or will I beat my friends integra?" questions. But a lot of them are bad in reality I guess. I guess the only reason the beginners forum works that I mentioned previously is that there are many great guys that understand what it's like to be on the other end and off great direction and advice to those less knowledgeable than themselves. But it takes those people to make it work. I just dont think we have many people like that here. If you know a lot you only want to talk to others that know a lot, which I understand, but it certainly doesnt make for an inviting atmosphere for new people with stupid questions. I guess it would be better to simply not respond unless we are going to help. If it's titled. "How fast I be wit my new 22 spinners yo" Just dont click on it. It's a tough balance I guess. Thank you everyone for your input and take care. Sorry to drag this topic out so long.
I totally see your point and I guess I didnt really see it that way before. I think a lot of the roasting IS well deserved most of the time. I guess a few decent questions just catch greif because of the majority are bad. The second grade typing and grammer skills are really obnoxious. I too am more of a lurker and just read and only ask if I have to. I can find most of what I want to know. I wasnt looking for a reformation of the forum or anything with this thread, I guess I just didnt understand why so many people keep blasting others for "How much HP, or will I beat my friends integra?" questions. But a lot of them are bad in reality I guess. I guess the only reason the beginners forum works that I mentioned previously is that there are many great guys that understand what it's like to be on the other end and off great direction and advice to those less knowledgeable than themselves. But it takes those people to make it work. I just dont think we have many people like that here. If you know a lot you only want to talk to others that know a lot, which I understand, but it certainly doesnt make for an inviting atmosphere for new people with stupid questions. I guess it would be better to simply not respond unless we are going to help. If it's titled. "How fast I be wit my new 22 spinners yo" Just dont click on it. It's a tough balance I guess. Thank you everyone for your input and take care. Sorry to drag this topic out so long.
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Moehler:
I wasnt taking offense and sorry if I came off that way. I rarely ask questions on here. Just lurk and learn is my style. I was simply making a statement based on observation of others. I realize it is a public forum and if you ask a dumb question hold on for a dumb answer. I guess I was just hoping to make people who have become frustrated with newbies to be a little more understanding and helpful. We were all once in the same boat, maybe our boat was a bit brighter than others, but in all honesty it's great to get new people. The more experiences and awareness about these cars the better off they are going to be. Thats why I bought one. You dont see them often, and they are unigue and beautiful. Let's just try not to be an exclusive elitists club that runs off new people. There are a lot of those out there already. Just a thought
I wasnt taking offense and sorry if I came off that way. I rarely ask questions on here. Just lurk and learn is my style. I was simply making a statement based on observation of others. I realize it is a public forum and if you ask a dumb question hold on for a dumb answer. I guess I was just hoping to make people who have become frustrated with newbies to be a little more understanding and helpful. We were all once in the same boat, maybe our boat was a bit brighter than others, but in all honesty it's great to get new people. The more experiences and awareness about these cars the better off they are going to be. Thats why I bought one. You dont see them often, and they are unigue and beautiful. Let's just try not to be an exclusive elitists club that runs off new people. There are a lot of those out there already. Just a thought
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there's a search button?
Oh crap cool.
Any how even if you search the one million post some of that crap contradicts the other. and new stuff keeps on coming out so maybe someone wants to know the current consensus with the new products available. and in all actually searching through all the Previous post and sometimes the rampant back and fourth of two people on where they were last week or where they been gets tiring for people.
hell I trust a person who owns one now then someone who bought it in 93 and sold it in 94. That's how stuff gets factory recalled. it may have worked when the car was 3yrs old but at 15yrs this stuff seriously didn't last.
Thanks to all the people who answered my dumb *** repeated questions.
I'm not a ricer but I man enough to admit when I'm clueless and need some help.
Oh crap cool.
Any how even if you search the one million post some of that crap contradicts the other. and new stuff keeps on coming out so maybe someone wants to know the current consensus with the new products available. and in all actually searching through all the Previous post and sometimes the rampant back and fourth of two people on where they were last week or where they been gets tiring for people.
hell I trust a person who owns one now then someone who bought it in 93 and sold it in 94. That's how stuff gets factory recalled. it may have worked when the car was 3yrs old but at 15yrs this stuff seriously didn't last.
Thanks to all the people who answered my dumb *** repeated questions.
I'm not a ricer but I man enough to admit when I'm clueless and need some help.
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Originally Posted by seven samurai
there's a search button?
Oh crap cool.
Any how even if you search the one million post some of that crap contradicts the other. and new stuff keeps on coming out so maybe someone wants to know the current consensus with the new products available. and in all actually searching through all the Previous post and sometimes the rampant back and fourth of two people on where they were last week or where they been gets tiring for people.
hell I trust a person who owns one now then someone who bought it in 93 and sold it in 94. That's how stuff gets factory recalled. it may have worked when the car was 3yrs old but at 15yrs this stuff seriously didn't last.
Thanks to all the people who answered my dumb *** repeated questions.
I'm not a ricer but I man enough to admit when I'm clueless and need some help.
Oh crap cool.
Any how even if you search the one million post some of that crap contradicts the other. and new stuff keeps on coming out so maybe someone wants to know the current consensus with the new products available. and in all actually searching through all the Previous post and sometimes the rampant back and fourth of two people on where they were last week or where they been gets tiring for people.
hell I trust a person who owns one now then someone who bought it in 93 and sold it in 94. That's how stuff gets factory recalled. it may have worked when the car was 3yrs old but at 15yrs this stuff seriously didn't last.
Thanks to all the people who answered my dumb *** repeated questions.
I'm not a ricer but I man enough to admit when I'm clueless and need some help.
Exactly my point for this topic. It is not as simple as "hit the search button", when you are new and dont know how to sift through the 500 results of complete crap to find the one answer you need to fit your circumstance if it even exists. If we help people out they are far more likely to enjoy their 7 and keep it alive and well. There is nothing more frustrating than buying a car that you know is risky, running into problems or having questions, and then haveing people who you know can help you tell you figure it out yourself because someone 2 years ago before you had even heard the word rotary had the same problem. Oh by the way, that was a stupid question, I already knew the answer. Use the search button newbie.
See what I mean. Ok enough defense of newbie questions. I understand where you guys come from, just try to help out a little. It means a lot to some people when you do. Take it easy.
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Originally Posted by hanknmorgan
Exactly my point for this topic. It is not as simple as "hit the search button", when you are new and dont know how to sift through the 500 results of complete crap to find the one answer you need to fit your circumstance if it even exists. If we help people out they are far more likely to enjoy their 7 and keep it alive and well. There is nothing more frustrating than buying a car that you know is risky, running into problems or having questions, and then haveing people who you know can help you tell you figure it out yourself because someone 2 years ago before you had even heard the word rotary had the same problem. Oh by the way, that was a stupid question, I already knew the answer. Use the search button newbie.
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68640
This 'cut people' thd may be in response to the "gearing" thread, which was a legit initial question. The spiral down was based on over reaction by assasin.
There is a big difference between saying someone (with low total posts) sounds like a poser, and saying someone (with high post count) is a poser and also belch out a bunch of baseless accusations in the same breath. A simple "look at my website" would have been sufficient.
Originally Posted by kuroi FD
no question is a dumb question.
Wutza rotery?
Wil i b fazt if i shift mad qwik?
wuts the fastest car?
And of course:
Wuts the loudist blo ov valv?
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Originally Posted by KevinK2
This 'cut people' thd may be in response to the "gearing" thread, which was a legit initial question. The spiral down was based on over reaction by assasin.
) did twist the handle, but I'll take some responsibility for paddling in a circle to add to the swirl. Flush. 
But this thread has softened my heart a little, and I posted some actual info on another thread today where the user should have just searched. Hank, your thread has worked! Honestly, it is good to have these discussions from time to time. And I don't think the people posting "repost", etc. are doing so with malice. It's just forum humor.
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Originally Posted by 1stand3rd
I think it depends on the question....But sometimes, a question like 'I have no secondary boost' although asked a million times, can be infomative, since there can be many causes depending on the symptoms.
Originally Posted by hanknmorgan
And I'm sure I just opened myself up for all sorts of "Mature" comebacks from others.
Seriously, there are many times the answer is not a 30s response, and yet we remember reading some nice in-depth material in the past. Attempting to re-hash it again doesn't generate the same quality as the original material. At least the person can know the information is there, rather than getting no response at all.
Plus, most of us HAVE found good information by searching. It takes a little practice, and it takes a little of our time, but overall it's faster for everyone. Really, this searching **** works, and for people to refuse to give it a good try is completely their problem. Or they should go to scuderiaciriani.com or any of the other sites to surf by category.
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Last edited by dgeesaman; Jan 21, 2005 at 06:40 PM.
Originally Posted by seven samurai
Any how even if you search the one million post some of that crap contradicts the other. and new stuff keeps on coming out so maybe someone wants to know the current consensus with the new products available. and in all actually searching through all the Previous post and sometimes the rampant back and fourth of two people on where they were last week or where they been gets tiring for people.
THAT is an intelligent question. Not "I already searched, now give me the answer".
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No, the real reason we ask rather than search is that we know Mahjik will generally reply with a thread link faster than the search engine replies with 100 pseudo-matches. I swear, that guy must have the entire database of thread id's memorized.
I guess the point is that you can either 1) ignore the thread, 2) use some time to type up an asinine "Use the search button, newbie!" retort, or 3) use that time to be helpful, perhaps find a thread for them...
I think hanknmorgan is just suggesting we keep this a friendly forum and not so often automatically resort to option 2. But hank also needs to understand that "Try searching" is not necessarily a flame... it is often simply the best advice one can give, i.e. "this has been discussed before - you should go read that"
I guess the point is that you can either 1) ignore the thread, 2) use some time to type up an asinine "Use the search button, newbie!" retort, or 3) use that time to be helpful, perhaps find a thread for them...
I think hanknmorgan is just suggesting we keep this a friendly forum and not so often automatically resort to option 2. But hank also needs to understand that "Try searching" is not necessarily a flame... it is often simply the best advice one can give, i.e. "this has been discussed before - you should go read that"
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Originally Posted by hanknmorgan
Exactly my point for this topic. It is not as simple as "hit the search button", when you are new and dont know how to sift through the 500 results of complete crap to find the one answer you need to fit your circumstance if it even exists.
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Originally Posted by zullo
No, the real reason we ask rather than search is that we know Mahjik will generally reply with a thread link faster than the search engine replies with 100 pseudo-matches. I swear, that guy must have the entire database of thread id's memorized.
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Originally Posted by jimlab
No, he's just good at using the search engine. It actually works quite well if you know what you're doing.
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When I started on this forum I read and searched for months until my eyes almost poppped out of my head, every issue I had was covered to a certain extent. you have to take the time to read and learn, it would have been easy for me to ask, but I wouldn't have learned ****. the simple questions that are very vague(to say the least) and are annoying and repetitive are frustrating to anyone that has taken time to search. it is the easy way out. everyone knows there are no true quick fixes to this car, you have to learn, you have to read. can't ask the bible what religion is about, got to read it for yourself (just a metaphor). on the other hand bashing someone is f'd up and annoying to others, pass it up. and I am with others that telling someone to search is not bashing, when you talk about their mama, that is! be nice and take it for what its worth. take in to account that there are a lot of frustrated, angry FD owners on here and its the only way for them to vent is to bash. ignore them, who the f are they anyway? get my point!!! anyway thanx to everyone that has helped, me at least, I wish I could buy you all a beer or a lap dance at least!! HA so hows that for love? feel it? I do. and for all of those who type with their head down and hit enter without looking, check what you are saying first! that is MY advice. peace.
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I betcha if I was a girl asking a question and everyone new I was a girl. I would not have that problem.
In my opinion speaking to someone live is just more informative. Just Because I read about rebuilds here doesn't mean I feel ok in doing it myself. Not all of us can jump into an astro Physics book look at the numbers, symbols and lettering and make sense of it. Although some can others can't. I have found many informative post and found some I made no sense of because of the technical vocab.
sure something has been written down before but in that sense no one should need any schooling cause I'm sure what you are looking for has been written down before.
Those that Know, come accustom to terms and knowledge thinking everyone should know. PFC, FD, FC, PFS, EFINI, BAR, PSI, AFR. If you going to drill someone for not knowing how to search you think they feel comfortable asking you to translate it.
I do know what the above terms mean But I understand the issue because I tutor young children.
In my opinion speaking to someone live is just more informative. Just Because I read about rebuilds here doesn't mean I feel ok in doing it myself. Not all of us can jump into an astro Physics book look at the numbers, symbols and lettering and make sense of it. Although some can others can't. I have found many informative post and found some I made no sense of because of the technical vocab.
sure something has been written down before but in that sense no one should need any schooling cause I'm sure what you are looking for has been written down before.
Those that Know, come accustom to terms and knowledge thinking everyone should know. PFC, FD, FC, PFS, EFINI, BAR, PSI, AFR. If you going to drill someone for not knowing how to search you think they feel comfortable asking you to translate it.
I do know what the above terms mean But I understand the issue because I tutor young children.
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newbies are something we all have been or are going to have to deal with, unless RE Amemiya is holding courses at the local community college, its up to the rest of us to educate, not hate. period.
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Originally Posted by seven samurai
I betcha if I was a girl asking a question and everyone new I was a girl. I would not have that problem.
In my opinion speaking to someone live is just more informative. Just Because I read about rebuilds here doesn't mean I feel ok in doing it myself. Not all of us can jump into an astro Physics book look at the numbers, symbols and lettering and make sense of it. Although some can others can't. I have found many informative post and found some I made no sense of because of the technical vocab.
sure something has been written down before but in that sense no one should need any schooling cause I'm sure what you are looking for has been written down before.
Those that Know, come accustom to terms and knowledge thinking everyone should know. PFC, FD, FC, PFS, EFINI, BAR, PSI, AFR. If you going to drill someone for not knowing how to search you think they feel comfortable asking you to translate it.
I do know what the above terms mean But I understand the issue because I tutor young children.
In my opinion speaking to someone live is just more informative. Just Because I read about rebuilds here doesn't mean I feel ok in doing it myself. Not all of us can jump into an astro Physics book look at the numbers, symbols and lettering and make sense of it. Although some can others can't. I have found many informative post and found some I made no sense of because of the technical vocab.
sure something has been written down before but in that sense no one should need any schooling cause I'm sure what you are looking for has been written down before.
Those that Know, come accustom to terms and knowledge thinking everyone should know. PFC, FD, FC, PFS, EFINI, BAR, PSI, AFR. If you going to drill someone for not knowing how to search you think they feel comfortable asking you to translate it.
I do know what the above terms mean But I understand the issue because I tutor young children.