Montego

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I'm not deterred by high milage cars if everything else is up to par but this guy is asking way too much. $24,900 buy it now price on a 36K mile rebuilt, dinged door, worn seats, with broken speakers??? Maybe in an additional 10 to 15 years where hardly any FD's running are left.

nemix

Let's wait and see, guy also only has no eBay history which will deter some people.

j9fd3s

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its a repaint, like the guy says, although the rear bumper doesn't match. its also missing the R1 front spoiler, and maybe more

car has a good service history up to 2000 (warranty work), and then nothing until it goes back to a dealership in 2014. its got 50% or more tires remaining...

car was built 2-12-1992, sold new at Jeff Haas Mazda.

Fritz Flynn

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Yep

I'm simply trying to say this dude is 5 years ahead of schedule but that's where we are headed. A repainted high mileage POS will be 20k plus. Mark my words

Get your FD now if you want a good car that's not expensive

j9fd3s

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every other remotely collectable car has a value curve that is close to vertical, why not the FD

HKSboosted2

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So, obviously there is a large disparity between value of the the FD and aircooled 993 911 Porsche. Out of curiosity, how would you all rate these 2 vehicles based purely on there sportscar capabilities?

Fritz Flynn

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For 15 years the FD values were pretty flat but the last 3 years low mileage cars have gone up 5k and climbing. This tells me the FD is about to go up in value another 10k which is a fairly vertical leap in the next 5 years. AGAIN there is just nothing out there and the cars that are half way decent are all 25k plus. I don't see the FD ever eclipsing a 993 turbo but it's going to be a collectible car.

Don't forget the 993s started out at 70k and they are just now starting to hit that sort of # and that's for really clean examples.

The FD started at 30 to 40k and it just started to hit those #s. I just sold my low mileage 95 for 29. The SSM R2 in DC just sold for 31. Several guys on the forum have recently sold low mileage cars for 27, 28 and 29 and I'm sure there are some 30k plus car sales out there.

That's not a steep vertical curve like the 997.1 and.2 RS cars but it's almost as steep as the 993. I also think we will see a correction in values to the 997s. Or at least I'm hoping for one hehe I wouldn't be surprised if the 996 GT3s are worth more than 993s in 10 years.

Give it 5 years and nice low mileage FDs will be 40 plus and junkers like this ebay car will be 20k

A highly modded 993 can't begin to compete with a highly modded FD without an engine swap. Even highly modded 993 turbos have a hard time keeping up with my FD.

j9fd3s

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i have a friend that has both the FD and the 993 turbo, and he had a mild FD, and bought a 993, and then sold the 993 because it wasn't as fun. so he put some more stuff in the FD, and then bought another 993 because its collectable.

the 993 is typically German, they put the turbos below the engine, so the turbo drain line goes up. so if you park the thing for more than a day, they smoke like the house is on fire if you start it, which is probably why there are so many low mile ones.

the FD has a very rare (i know of only 2) apexi turbo kits that use a bigger turbo than the Rx6, and apexi coil overs, etc, and its the only car i've been in that needs a roll cage, its very very very fast up in the mountains

as an aside there are two shades of white for the 993, there is a yellow snow and then there is a white. you'd never know unless you park them next to each other.

Fritz Flynn

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YEP it's a the perfect example of a collector and IS A COLLECTOR right now. People don't pay 29k for 1995 cars that cost 40k unless they are super cool.

There's is nothing on the market that drives like stock FD much less a slightly or heavily modded one. Just as there was nothing on the market that drove like the FD when they were 1st introduced. It's a special car, DEAL WITH IT

j9fd3s

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i just happened to run across an ad for the bigger Apexi turbo. 500ps is either flywheel or at more than 1bar, it made around 400ps at 14psi on my friends car, TONS of low end, i think its still a T3 footprint

2-Rotor

I think if our cars were made by Porsche, Ferrari, Lotus, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, or any other prestigious brand you would see the values rise a lot more. I hate to say this and not sound too snobby but we as FD owners don't get as much credibility for our cars due to the fact they are only Mazdas. Most people don't even realize that Mazda is the only Japanese car company to ever win LeMans. So maybe you can see my point here I still think the values should be higher as well.

Littleguy

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True, I still don't consider myself a "Mazda person" or think of any other Mazda's as having anything in common with my FD (exception for other RX-7's or early Miatas).

Robbierx7

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Badge snobbery at it's finest. I can't complain though. I'm getting a mean machine for a good price.

Littleguy

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Discussing Japanese nostalgic cars on the latest After Drive. Late 90's discussion begins around 22 minutes.

RE-Mamamia

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well, i have owned both the FD and 993 and can tell you that the 993 just drives a bit more special...as it should be...than the FD. the FD will run circles around the 993 on the track but a stock 993 is nearly bullet proof, plus the driving sensation of a hand built, air cooled, neo-classic 993 is what really makes it a special car. Sadly, i recently sold the 993

Fritz Flynn

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I've ridden in A LOT and driven a few 993s and most were the really well prepped track variety and I have to disagree strongly but who'd be surprised by that LOL

The car you are selling with sequential twins is way more entertaining than any 993. That said non sequential FDs just straight up suck on the street.

The 993 is reliable and they should be considering they don't have two complete engine systems that are both problematic on the FD and on most other sports cars as well. All they have to deal with is oil and fuel. However I can't stand the VW (air/fan engine sound) vibe. They take monumental setup and alignment time to drive decently. I could go on and on and on. The FD has a myriad of mechanical problems but it drives on a road course like nothing else, is super easy to setup and a 993 can't touch that nor should it given where the engine is etc.....

A cayman is numb and heavy feeling compared to an FD and a cayman/boxster kills the 993 in driving experience.

I love 911s but I'll never say the over all driving experience of my GT3 is better than my FD because it just isn't............and again cough cough nor should it be

Fritz Flynn

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Here's a nice 993 for those looking

Personally I'll take a low mileage FD for 30k over this any day

1995 Porsche 993 - Rennlist Discussion Forums

mattster03

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Here is the author's opinion:

"My speculation is the reliability and cost to maintain these rotary powered vehicles scares the casual car enthusiast and investor away."

Fritz Flynn

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I don't buy it: https://www.hagerty.com/price-guide/1967-Mazda-Cosmo

j9fd3s

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i think its a perceived cost. i think if you actually itemized a bill for the FD vs most other cars, the FD is on the cheap end. you are replacing parts that on other cars would be considered major, like the engine, which is a stigma also.

just for example, a 30,000 mile service on a 308 Ferrari is $6,000 as the engine needs to come out so you can change the timing belt. the FD doesn't need half that kind of money that often.

RedBaronII

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I came late to this party, but no one has mentioned the availability of parts can make a car a collectible or UN-collectible.
Availability of parts to restore back to pristine and original form is of utmost importance.
The FD gets an F in this department IMHO.
Parts every day a harder to get, unless another one bites the dust and then it's literally a feeding frenzy for used parts and worn parts.
Cosmetic/interior parts are none existent anymore and other parts too.
Try find a NEW wiper motor/arms or the blinker/wiper/turn signal combo switch or R1 non-wrinkled panels, etc.
All other marks retain their value in part, because the model is still being made (yes, they don't even look the same), but OEM parts can be obtained new or aftermarket.
Once the rotary pond dries up, kiss your running FD goodby, unless you lock it up in a vault.
I won't be alive when this happens, but I don't see the price going much up in the future.
Adding insult to injury, only few actually know that the FD bad reputation for breaking engines is only part true.
Lastly, the value for collection is on non-modified examples.
The least altered a car is and closer to factory original is, the higher the value.
How many are left untouched as of now, a few tens or dozens???

Then again, no one ever know what makes the market change and make a car all of a sudden become a collectors item.

RE-Mamamia

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We can agree to disagree on the driving "feel" of two fantastic machines but in terms of collectible value, the 993 has shot through the roof and beyond. I personally feel the FD should be an ideal candidate for being a true collectible but perhaps there are too many junk examples out there that leaves a bad taste in the collector crowd?

Fritz Flynn

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Yep the 993 will be a big time collector for sure and is definitely gathering steam right now but as mentioned clean low mileage examples are only selling for 70k which is what they cost. Which is why right now is a great time to buy a really nice one and hang on to it long term if you are into them.

I'm hoping the 997 RS cars come back down to earth a little so I can grab one of those to tuck into my garage as a long term keeper.

Littleguy

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I think the fan base is just younger. Most people who grew up in the 90's looking at these and playing Gran Turismo are my age (35) or younger. Once people my age can afford to drop $25k-50k plus on a pure toy without blinking you will see these start to increase more and more.

tbkonwso

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fd is the best looking of all 4 Japanese super cars.... we just need to drive it more... it will help with value ....