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Old 12-31-08, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by thewird
Your map sensor might be dead although I've never heard of that happening. Check the wiring going to the map sensor.

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Pressure sensor - Boost sensor - Map sensor ---- > it's all the same?

Thanks a lot for your help!
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Check this:
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Thanks Mahjik!

Is it a one-way valve or a filter connected to the map sensor? Because i can blow from the two sides...
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Originally Posted by MuRCieLaGo
Thanks Mahjik!

Is it a one-way valve or a filter connected to the map sensor? Because i can blow from the two sides...
It's a filter.
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Okay I checked the voltage of the terminal C and it's 4,93 V. Sounds correct, but now I need help for the next step, I do not understand.

"Is there continuity between manifold absolute pressure sensor B terminal and PCME terminal 4D ?"

The PCME is the little black box at the feet of the passenger's side?

What to they mean by "continuity" ??? 0,01 ohm or less???

And where's the terminal 4D ?????
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over 0 ohms . not infinite ohms (open circuit)
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And where's the terminal 4D ???
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check out the pinout diagram in the fuel section of the FSM for the location of pin 4D. the diagram shows the back of the connectors to the ECU.
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Ok now a very good question for you guys: Where's the output on the sensor !?!? And is it okay if I get 4,3 volts instead of 5 volts !??
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It probably is a too good question...
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Originally Posted by MuRCieLaGo
Where's the output on the sensor !?!?
The page says "Output A Terminal". The sensor has 3 wires labeled A B & C on the page. You are needed to check "A".
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Okay thanks again Mahjik.

Key turned on. Output A terminal shows 5 Volts. Isn't it supposed to be 2.3-2.8 V?
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If that was at 0 inHg, then yes it should be at 2.3-2.8V.
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I bought a new map sensor, I'm waiting for summer to test it. By the way, here's a video of the problem. The sound that we hear when I get back of the car is the broken air pump.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlQwRp3-3VU&fmt=18
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I have a question. I'm running with my broken air pump. Can it be the cause of the bouncing idle?
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Man that thing sounds awkward.
I have a question. When the car has been sitting for awhile(long enough to cool down significantly) and go start the car up, do you still have idle surge?
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Originally Posted by MX722
Man that thing sounds awkward.
I have a question. When the car has been sitting for awhile(long enough to cool down significantly) and go start the car up, do you still have idle surge?
I suppose, I ran with the bouncing idle during all summer 2008 (3,000 kms). It is now in the garage at -20 Celsius since november.
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im not sure this will help but its very common for FC's (and other cars..and a curse for hondas) when they do that its usually a dead or faulty tps....i dont no the wiring or specs for the FD but on the FC if you hook a dvom to the tps and at idle you should get 1 volt...when you slowly rev it up to about 3500- 4k it should smoothly go up to 5 volts with the rpms...

however...if the voltage stays fixed at any certain volt regardless of rpm change..or the voltage staggers during the sweep(example: you do the sweep and volts go from 1v,1.5,3,2,2.5,4,1) then the tps is bad and must be replaced

the only other thing i can suggest is to test the map sensor with a dvom as well to make sure its getting and sending the proper voltage

lastly the majority of sensors out there regardless of car run on a 0-5 volt reference for the pcm....if it goes beyond that or zero reading at all there is a possibility there is a fault in the pcm caused by a short, or shunt in the wiring which fried a small section of the computer...not very common but extremely possible

hope it helps any....if not sorry to bother
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Is there any time in which it stops happening?

Somethings wrong with mine as well, whenever I push the brakes immediately after I let go of the throttle, the idle will bounce. If I let go of the brakes, the idle readjusts and settles. I'm thinking it has to be electronic so this means sensors, grounds, and the like.

Mine might just be a bad TPS.
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Originally Posted by helghast7
im not sure this will help but its very common for FC's (and other cars..and a curse for hondas) when they do that its usually a dead or faulty tps....i dont no the wiring or specs for the FD but on the FC if you hook a dvom to the tps and at idle you should get 1 volt...when you slowly rev it up to about 3500- 4k it should smoothly go up to 5 volts with the rpms...

however...if the voltage stays fixed at any certain volt regardless of rpm change..or the voltage staggers during the sweep(example: you do the sweep and volts go from 1v,1.5,3,2,2.5,4,1) then the tps is bad and must be replaced

the only other thing i can suggest is to test the map sensor with a dvom as well to make sure its getting and sending the proper voltage

lastly the majority of sensors out there regardless of car run on a 0-5 volt reference for the pcm....if it goes beyond that or zero reading at all there is a possibility there is a fault in the pcm caused by a short, or shunt in the wiring which fried a small section of the computer...not very common but extremely possible

hope it helps any....if not sorry to bother
Any help is always appreciated! I checked everything you mentionned but I'll check everything again...

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Is there any time in which it stops happening?

Somethings wrong with mine as well, whenever I push the brakes immediately after I let go of the throttle, the idle will bounce. If I let go of the brakes, the idle readjusts and settles. I'm thinking it has to be electronic so this means sensors, grounds, and the like.

Mine might just be a bad TPS.
It stopped happening when I activate the A/C (idle OK at 2,200 RPM)
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Originally Posted by MuRCieLaGo
I suppose, I ran with the bouncing idle during all summer 2008 (3,000 kms). It is now in the garage at -20 Celsius since november.
Well its pretty essential to determine the problem with your car.
Go start it right now, pop the hood, let the car idle until the idle starts surging.
Then, immediately check to see if the radiator fans turned on.
Finally, report back here.


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