There's not much justification into the price of the ARC products. Everything they have carries a much higher price over comparable products, with comparable quality and performance.

Inflated price creates perceived value and performance. It's a basic marketing trick.

It's nice LOOKING, but way too much.

 

Damn, this thread is so old that *joe d* posted in it

 

you are assuming that im referring to the ic ducting when i mention plastic crap. ***-u-me. have you looked at a stock intercooler and how its constructed.

and you are sure that i bought the xspower - here we go again - ***-u-me.

the plastic im referring to is the stock intercooler tank and some of the stock piping going into and out of it. the ic ducting is still intact because it is necessary and does just as you said. i use the stock plastic air box as well modified to allow more cool air. yes some plastic parts are necessary and dont compromise the welfare of the engine if they crack or fail.

ive had the arc smic on the car for almost a year and it functions just fine for how i drive the car and meets my needs better than the stock ic. the car runs flawlessly and i drive it a lot.

chuck

 

those with the ARC ( smic ) i have the race version can anybody tell me how much beter is thant he non race version its suppose to be thicker i think her are the specs on the reg version H 260 X L 500 X W 70
like i said this is for the standard ARC smic im looking for specs on the RACE version

 

i was just told by mackin industry that the ARC is the most popular in JAPAN, and almost all the JAPAN GT race's run the ARC product im trying to fine the specs on the race version but guy said that because of the fin design it would run even a single turbo with no sweat so thats some info for you incase you wanted to know

 

you cna have the best intercooler in the universe and it won't change the fact that the stock LOCATION sucks!!! realtors, back me up on this

 

WELL ACCORDING TO ARC OPPPP this price reflects the product, and its really good, i have to super intake box and man im tellin my intake side is so cold compared to the stock box and i had the apexi intakes as well, so if that worked i wonder how my race version of the arc smic will work with the t78

 

i've tuned an fd with the $1500 pettit coolcharge 3 in it.

VERY nice and large intercooler--you can tell they put a lot of work into it.
but that still didn't prevent us from getting 190 degree intake temps--i had to shut it down.

the stock location sucks. period.

 

hey GJ28 well i was told that the trick is in the fins on the heat exchanger and also GJ its the ducting, i was told that if you dont have the ductt then the temps really get up there, and like i said have i the race version whitch is suppose to be even beter and thicker so we will see

 

it had all the ducting and what not..
a few problems with that setup are
1) you've got the radiator blowing hot air on it
2) it was probably made for road racing-where you'd have a 100+ mph wind across it at all times.

i'm not saying it's a bad intercooler...but i've seen better results with $200 npr's and various ebay intercoolers.
i think too often you pay for the name with this stuff.

you can call me ghetto if you want, but i'll use a $200 npr and get my intake temps about 14 degrees above ambient on a 4th gear pull strapped to the dyno... if it works, it works.

 

I'd rather have an SMIC that gets hot on the dyno than an FMIC that overheats the car on the track....

 

if you have problems overheating, your cooling system isn't up to par.

but if you wanna split hairs like that, a water to air intercooler is a good blend of all the above...just a little clumsy with all the extra stuff you gotta use with it. i'm actually considering that option for mine.

 

You obviously don't track the car....

 

you'd rather kill an engine from detonation than overheating?

if you start overheating, quit beating on it. if you detonate, boom.

 

What does detonation have to do with anything? I don't see 190F intake temps on the track....

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the stock location whatsover. My AITs have always been within a few degrees of numerous FDs w/a FMIC. Difference was, my water temps were always much cooler. The only advantage to the FMIC that I see is that they look cool. If you were seeing intake temps as high as your coolant temps there is something horribly wrong with that FD. Who was working on it, Ray Charles ?

 

on that particular one, nothing... the intercooler just sits on top/behind the radiator, so it acts as an interheater unless the car is moving.

rynberg--of course you wouldn't get 190 degree temps on the track....that's not very hard on that sort of thing. try driving the car in the desert--floor it to a stop light, then stop, then floor it, stop, bumper to bumper, etc.... now THAT'S abuse!

 

Hmm...and why the hell would I drive in such a fashion? If you have to dig up such a weird example for your argument, perhaps you should question whether you have the right view point or not....

The point is, for any kind of hard extended driving, an FMIC is a serious detriment to the cooling system -- must be why NO experienced track guys run an FMIC.

 

Have you ever measured the Air intake temps with a Power FC, Haltech, or anything else?

 

ok, knowitall...

 

This example is ridiculous and would probably be worse with a FMIC than a SMIC. Heat soak happens most at the AIT on the UIM. If the AIT is telling the car that the intake air is very hot, but the air from a FMIC is going to be somewhat cold - your example would be problematic. However with a SMIC, the AIT and the IC would be fairly heat soaked. So when you floor it, the air coming in would not be as drastically cooler as with a FMIC. In other words, the SMIC would produce an air temp closer that what the AIT thinks that it is.

Either way NOBODY has ever blown an engine solely from a slightly more heat soaked IC.

Fact's are Fact's.
Pro's of SMIC: Slightly better boost response & put zero stress on the cooling system.
con's of SMIC: In traffic they will give slightly higher air temps due to heat soak.

Pro's of FMIC: Almost zero heat soak (at the IC) in traffic, but just as much at the AIT.
Con's of FMIC: Puts a lot more stress on an already stressed out cooling system, and produces slightly less boost response.

 

so you're telling me that when the "cold" side of the intercooler burns my hand, the intake temps are alright? you bumped your head.

40-50 degrees isn't "slightly" higher temps.

 

No, I'm just saying that if the AIT is heatsoaked and the IC is heat soaked the actual air temp is closer to what the AIT will read.

 

just wanted to know have you guys even seen or worked with the ARC product, most say get the m2 or greddy but im telling the guy at mackin was saying that most of all the JAPAN GT racers use the ARC intakes and IC's so they have to know something i dont things its just the NAME, i would lov to chat with some ones thats running this

 

all this time, are you talking about the IAT? automotive acronyms are standardised.

but i don't get what you're saying...the intake temp is gong to be close to what the iat sensor says? ok, good...it works.

can you phrase that a little differently so i can better understand what you're trying to get at?