Apexi Power FCs coming to an end!
Yes, you read that right. I'm as surprised as you are. Apexi has begun sequentially discontinuing the Apexi Power FC's for various cars, including the FC3S, and the '96 - '98 FD3S. According to my sources in Japan, the '93 - '95 FD is next on the list. Rumor is that they won't be making them again. Being that the current stock that Apexi has is the last of the last, they're flying off the shelves in J-land. Just thought I'd give everyone a head's up to jump on getting one before it's too late...
~Ramy FDNewbie Imports |
I have been trying to get ahold of you by the way! I wanted to purchase a used PFC but I'll just upgrade to a new one if you have it on the shelf.
Thanks, Zach |
Hey Zach,
Yea I have a bunch in stock. In fact, as a result of this discontinuation, I'm running a GB on the PFCs in my vendor section here: https://www.rx7club.com/fdnewbie-archive-forum-190/gb-soon-discontinued-brand-spankin-new-apexi-power-fcs-commanders-600920/ ;) Thanks, ~Ramy |
Well that sucks, do they have anything else coming out to replace it? It seems that the power FC's sold well for them, I wonder why they would stop producing them?
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From what I have heard, the actual ASIC chips in the PFC are going out of production so it may be that Apex'i had no choice.
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Thankyou,
eat it who ever told me to stop talking to shit and locked my previous thread hahahaha! i was right and wasnt talking shit! rynberg, misinformation pffft :P, |
:sadwavey: Goodbye PFC we hardly knew you!
What a sad day. The best overall ECU for a lot of cars is no longer. I sure hope A'PEXi comes up with a replacement that's even better. I should buy a few in case I ever get another money pit or just in case. |
they made PFCs for FCs? I know someone with an S4 TII that could really use a PFC.
Can you help, Ramy? |
Originally Posted by 93VRTouring
they made PFCs for FCs? I know someone with an S4 TII that could really use a PFC.
Can you help, Ramy? |
Originally Posted by the_glass_man
Not for S4's they didn't. SOL unless you want to do more work than it's worth.
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Wow, that really surprises me. They basically have the monopoly in the market. It doesn't seem very smart to discontinue such a high-demand item.
Some other electronics company should take over the production of the chips if that is the case. |
Originally Posted by 93VRTouring
is there any standalone for S4 TIIs? He's using an SAFC and it's been big problems for him.
Or any of the other million options if you want a full stand alone. |
I just thought of something: I bet FC-Datalogit is pissed at this news. Sure, they'll still sell units, but it will taper off without new units being produced.
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so should i hang on to mine? will prices go up or down on used pfc's, or is it hard to say?
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:sadwavey: good bye apexi power
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Originally Posted by willjs7
so should i hang on to mine? will prices go up or down on used pfc's, or is it hard to say?
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Originally Posted by VegasFD
Wow, that really surprises me. They basically have the monopoly in the market. It doesn't seem very smart to discontinue such a high-demand item.
Some other electronics company should take over the production of the chips if that is the case. |
Originally Posted by j9fd3s
yes but the car (93-95) hasnt been made for 12 years!
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^true....
even with all the new cars coming out...the older imports...are still loved... :) |
Originally Posted by MirX
Thankyou,
eat it who ever told me to stop talking to shit and locked my previous thread hahahaha! i was right and wasnt talking shit! rynberg, misinformation pffft :P, This really sucks for modding FDs....there are no comparable plug-and-play options out there. |
i need to buy one before they gone completly......
christmas present for my self :P yeh! |
Why would you run a GB on Power FC's. Its time to raise the price to $2k. Make money now while you can :)
On a side note I talked with the guys at Apexi today and they have not heard anything about them being discontinued. |
Originally Posted by Jason
Why would you run a GB on Power FC's. Its time to raise the price to $2k. Make money now while you can :)
On a side note I talked with the guys at Apexi today and they have not heard anything about them being discontinued. |
They don't make them for S4 or S5. I get my S5 units from AP Engineering - who make a custom set (inc harness).
I've not heard anything about this, but I've been expecting Apexera to jump on the bandwagon and make a more nintendo-like display. |
Are you sure about that? Looks like they are only reducing production to specific models...check out www.apexera.co.jp/carlife.html. Here's the current support model list http://www.apexera.co.jp/carlife/pro.../p-fc_list.pdf
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AWWWW.. BOO HOO HOO! C ya later turd!! Maybe people will finally open their eyes to microtech LT8S w/ the plug and play adapter. Or maybe not! G
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Originally Posted by G's 3rd Gen
AWWWW.. BOO HOO HOO! C ya later turd!! Maybe people will finally open their eyes to microtech LT8S w/ the plug and play adapter. Or maybe not! G
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So are they going to be discontinued? or not? cause this will change my buying pattern.
I hate to say that I will be a sheep among the followers spurred by market changes or rumors.... But I am in this case. |
Originally Posted by DaiOni
I've not heard anything about this, but I've been expecting Apexera to jump on the bandwagon and make a more nintendo-like display.
Yeah, maybe a touch screen blue tooth commander or an ipod style adapter to connect your your stereo and control it from there. If the chip manufacturer was the case then all would be discontinued, but so far it looks like it may be just older and/or low selling models. It would make more sense for a v2 replacement then completely discontinuing the entire line. :smiley_12 |
Originally Posted by G's 3rd Gen
AWWWW.. BOO HOO HOO! C ya later turd!! Maybe people will finally open their eyes to microtech LT8S w/ the plug and play adapter. Or maybe not! G
The Microtech has built-in logging but can't run the OMP. So what does it have over the PFC+datalogit? |
There is something no one brought up which may play a role in this which is ODBII. With my truck it went from replacement chips to plug in chip rewriters to the current allways plugged in piggy back controller connected to the ODBII port. If the ECU is replaced then i'm shure it would void the warranty as the dealer couldn't talk to the new ECU with the ODBII port.
Ver 2.0 maybe similar to SAFC NEO for the commander controller or possibly dash mounted. http://www.apexi-usa.com/graphics/products/2601.jpg |
The other drawback on the microtech is the inability to change the values of the rows. 8 vacuum, 8 boost that covers the range up to 28 psi. Who gives a shit about 28 psi since most of us will go up to about 17 max. With the PFC you can have how ever many pressure rows you want since you can change the values but even if you leave it at 10, 10 rows for 17 psi with the stock pressure sensor versus 8 rows for 28 psi with the microtech, which ones having to extrapolate inbetween data points, ie less resolution? The real turd with no support from the producers or the end users is the microtech for the FD.
Tim |
Except that the stock ecu can't be re-written through the OBDI port ... That's right OBD >>1<<
The FD was prior to 1996 when OBDII was mandatory, and at best you get a flashing bulb out of OBDI since it was far less regulated... with the stock ecu you have to manually remove the chip and flash it, even so, try and teach it about a 0-5v signal from a GM 3Bar map sensor.... Good Luck ! -Derek |
This whole "disconinuing" of PFCs sounds like a ploy for Ramy to generate some income :p:
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Originally Posted by the_glass_man
If you are going to go through the trouble of a Microtech, you might as well as do the right thing and buy a Haltech. :) There is no better plug and play ECU than the PFC period!
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Originally Posted by rynberg
Yeah right. Has the software update happened yet or are you still limited to a PATHETIC 16x16 load matrix?
The Microtech has built-in logging but can't run the OMP. So what does it have over the PFC+datalogit? |
Originally Posted by Tim Benton
The other drawback on the microtech is the inability to change the values of the rows. 8 vacuum, 8 boost that covers the range up to 28 psi. Who gives a shit about 28 psi since most of us will go up to about 17 max. With the PFC you can have how ever many pressure rows you want since you can change the values but even if you leave it at 10, 10 rows for 17 psi with the stock pressure sensor versus 8 rows for 28 psi with the microtech, which ones having to extrapolate inbetween data points, ie less resolution? The real turd with no support from the producers or the end users is the microtech for the FD.
Tim |
Someone has to stir the beehive every now and then! I have'nt done it in a while!!
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Yep and you're still running a pathetic 16x16 matrix with fixed load points.
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Originally Posted by rynberg
Yep and you're still running a pathetic 16x16 matrix with fixed load points.
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Oh well... 1 minor discrepency.. Nobody is perfect. Doesnt affect the way ther cars run comparetively. I know. I have owned both. As everyone knows. Its all about the tune anyway. Not the box. I just like the less headaches. :us4allswi
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would rather tune on something with more resolution. If i ever do another setup i will probably go with a haltech e8.
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Originally Posted by G's 3rd Gen
Oh well... 1 minor discrepency.. Nobody is perfect. Doesnt affect the way ther cars run comparetively. I know. I have owned both. As everyone knows. Its all about the tune anyway. Not the box. I just like the less headaches. :us4allswi
WHAT headaches with the PFC? It's easy to use and program (w/the datalogit). The only drivability issue is the A/C problem some have. |
Originally Posted by rynberg
1 minor discrepancy? It's not the box? The Microtech has 16x16 vs 20x20, this is a whopping 36% less resolution. That's a pretty big difference, especially given the rather big steps between the load rows in the PFC already.
WHAT headaches with the PFC? It's easy to use and program (w/the datalogit). The only drivability issue is the A/C problem some have. |
Uh, the resolution makes the difference in providing a good and SAFE tune between rpm and load points. Why don't you compare a computer monitor running 640x480 and 1024x768? See a difference? :D
What built-in features did you explain? The only thing I saw you post about was "ignition booster"....I'm not sure how good it is vs an HKS for example. I'm not trying to flame you, but I've seen you bash the PFC on more than one occasion and you have yet to give a solid reason why. Also, I like to point out the cons of products that people say are the shit without giving any qualifiers....like 36% less resolution. |
Originally Posted by G's 3rd Gen
AWWWW.. BOO HOO HOO! C ya later turd!! Maybe people will finally open their eyes to microtech LT8S w/ the plug and play adapter. Or maybe not! G
I would rather eat cock than put their TOTAL POS into a quality car like an FD ;) |
Originally Posted by willjs7
would rather tune on something with more resolution. If i ever do another setup i will probably go with a haltech e8.
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I like how all the big time members cam out on this thread. Check out page 3, only 1 guy has less than 1,000 posts. haha
By the way, maybe i miseed it, but when is the deadline for the GB again? Thanx! |
Off track a bit here... Didn't nintendo have a OBII reader? Would be good if PSP came up with the same kind of thing.
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Maybe you guys in Japan have OBDII on your '96+ FD's, but us poor sould here in the us were deprived of that....
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