94-95 FD or 2003 Yamaha R6
01-11-03, 11:29 PM
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wasnt there an ad that said i like beating sport bikes in my rx7
I've surprised more than a few 600s in 50-100 mph roll-ons in the FD.....bikes have notoriously poor aerodynamics and the power to weight "advantage" isn't as pronounced during a roll-on contest.....it's all about horsepower and, at higher speed, aerodynamics
I've surprised more than a few 600s in 50-100 mph roll-ons in the FD.....bikes have notoriously poor aerodynamics and the power to weight "advantage" isn't as pronounced during a roll-on contest.....it's all about horsepower and, at higher speed, aerodynamics
01-12-03, 11:54 AM
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The big advantage the bike has over the FD is that you can pound on the bike all freaking day long 13,000 RPM shifts (doesn't make much since to go higher on the R6 unless its an 03).
Once you're done carving up the corners, and blasting down the straights, then you just park it.
The next morning, you get on it, start it and ride it to work. Come the weekend, you beat on it some more!
Bikes love it, and can take it. I've owned a 600 from every major manufacturer, and never had to take one in for any unscheduled maintenance. They take a beating and keep going.
Now, try and run your FD like that, and see how long it lasts. Don't get me wrong, I love my FD, but every time I get on it, I spend more time watching the boost guage and various other instruments than the road, waiting for something bad to happen. It kinda takes some of the enjoyment out of it for me.
Once you're done carving up the corners, and blasting down the straights, then you just park it.
The next morning, you get on it, start it and ride it to work. Come the weekend, you beat on it some more!
Bikes love it, and can take it. I've owned a 600 from every major manufacturer, and never had to take one in for any unscheduled maintenance. They take a beating and keep going.
Now, try and run your FD like that, and see how long it lasts. Don't get me wrong, I love my FD, but every time I get on it, I spend more time watching the boost guage and various other instruments than the road, waiting for something bad to happen. It kinda takes some of the enjoyment out of it for me.
01-13-03, 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by rx7tt95
Kento....you wouldn't happen to be Kent Kunitsugu from SportBike magazine would you????
A few questions if you are.
a)which is the better handler, R7 or MV F4
b)any speculations on when and by whom MV's going to be purchased by?
c)Have you had a chance to ride the new 600RR? Is it really all that the Honda racers say it is (despite the fact they all crashed them at the Daytona tests)
d)when is the 600 sportbike comparo slated to be published?
e)is it in fact true that MotoGP is coming to the U.S. in 04, specifically to Homestead? Done deal?
f)need any photographic help covering the above?
g)are you an RX-7 owner or thinking about purchasing one? Just curious...
h)if you could pick any modern sportbike to modify and use as a track day/streetbike combo, what would it be? Please don't say GSXR1000 though.... :-)
And if you're not Kent Kunitsugu, welcome anyway.
Back to the original topic, get the FD. The bike will be less expensive to own and maintain (assuming a three to four month riding year in Colorado) and when you can afford a bike, go for it. If it's your first bike, I'd suggest something a little more tame to start with though....Go with a single turbo on the FD and you'll be able to outrun the R6 on the straights.
Kento....you wouldn't happen to be Kent Kunitsugu from SportBike magazine would you????
A few questions if you are.
a)which is the better handler, R7 or MV F4
b)any speculations on when and by whom MV's going to be purchased by?
c)Have you had a chance to ride the new 600RR? Is it really all that the Honda racers say it is (despite the fact they all crashed them at the Daytona tests)
d)when is the 600 sportbike comparo slated to be published?
e)is it in fact true that MotoGP is coming to the U.S. in 04, specifically to Homestead? Done deal?
f)need any photographic help covering the above?
g)are you an RX-7 owner or thinking about purchasing one? Just curious...
h)if you could pick any modern sportbike to modify and use as a track day/streetbike combo, what would it be? Please don't say GSXR1000 though.... :-)
And if you're not Kent Kunitsugu, welcome anyway.
Back to the original topic, get the FD. The bike will be less expensive to own and maintain (assuming a three to four month riding year in Colorado) and when you can afford a bike, go for it. If it's your first bike, I'd suggest something a little more tame to start with though....Go with a single turbo on the FD and you'll be able to outrun the R6 on the straights.
Jeez...one at a time.Yes, I am Kent Kunitsugu (last time I checked, anyway). Damn, that's a lot of questions; might be better if you sent them to srmail@primedia.com, before the moderators get pissed. However, I do own an FD, so I guess it applies...
So I'll try and make the answers as succinct as possible:
a.) Probably the R7. By a hair.
b.) Last I heard it was an Italian banking firm, and they've already lent Castiglioni some money to get a couple of the production lines going.
c.) I get to ride the 600RR in two weeks. Should be good.
d.) Next issue that we're working on, which will be the June issue (but it'll hit the newstands in April)
e.) It's not cast in stone, and it most likely WON'T be at Homestead, thankfully. No offense to Homestead, but it's not the type of track for 230hp, 200+ mph MotoGP machines.
f.) We've got plenty of freelance photographers, but you're welcome to send in unsolicited stuff for us to check out.
g.) '93 touring. CB, DP, modded stock airbox w/K&N, Efini Y-pipe, SMIC, Pettit unlimited ECU, Fikse FM5 wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Koni Sport coil overs, 310mm front discs/6 piston calipers, blah blah blah...
h.) GSX-R1000
Sorry. Actually nearly all the top modern sportbikes are great track day/street bike machines...Get the FD if it's in good condition; you can always get a sportbike later. Actually, I bought my FD from its original owner, James Parker; he was the guy who designed the RADD swingarm front end for the Yamaha GTS1000.
I must say that the RX-7 forum (and community) is one of the best I've encountered with regards to everyone helping each other out with tips and information. Far better than many of the other boards I've seen... Many thanx to those who have helped me out with tech info.
Kent
It's SPORT RIDER magazine, not Sportbike magazine.
01-13-03, 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by onikageka
Ok. I'm an experienced, trained, and insured rider. That means that I'm 90% less likely to get in an accident when riding than most other riders. Not to say it won't happen but I'm at about the same risk as driving a car.
As for surviving the crash - I always wear my helmet and body armor. Which, by the way, is literally bullet proof and made of carbon fiber and kevlar. So my chances of surviving a crash are pretty good. Not to mention that survival on a bike is 80% rider intelligence and 20% bike agility.
Winter? That's easy. I still have my 1994 Mazda B4000 pickup 4x4 pickup truck.
PS I'm going R6 and not R1 because I like the looks and handling of the R6 over the bigger R1
Ok. I'm an experienced, trained, and insured rider. That means that I'm 90% less likely to get in an accident when riding than most other riders. Not to say it won't happen but I'm at about the same risk as driving a car.
As for surviving the crash - I always wear my helmet and body armor. Which, by the way, is literally bullet proof and made of carbon fiber and kevlar. So my chances of surviving a crash are pretty good. Not to mention that survival on a bike is 80% rider intelligence and 20% bike agility.
Winter? That's easy. I still have my 1994 Mazda B4000 pickup 4x4 pickup truck.
PS I'm going R6 and not R1 because I like the looks and handling of the R6 over the bigger R1
My first reaction to your post was: WTF is this guy thinking? If he's a hard core rider then who gives a finger about four wheels. That was my attitude before 3 accidents (2 left turning car and one my fault for being a squid) over 5 years left me thinking: HMMM, may be there is something to cars after all.
I had 2 ZX6, 2 RZ350, 1 RD 350. My 93 RX7 clean the clocks of all of these bikes except from a standing start. Outcorner, outbrake and safer.
If you're a totally single guy and wants to impress others with the size of your ********* then get a bike.
If you have a girl (or a boy or whatever tickles your fancy) friend then get a car. It's a pain putting on leather, gloves, helmet and boot and taking them down to the club.
01-13-03, 11:49 AM
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If you already have the transportation, buy the toy.
If you get a 3rd gen it will be redundant with your other car. You already have basic grocery, snow, rain,… type of travel.
Having owned both, it seemed stupid to spend $Ks in mods to keep up with a basic 600 bike in a straight line. Keeping the 7 close from a stop or mid corner would be almost impossible.
OTOH, it is easier to learn to drive a car fast because you are not faced with the reality of death and dismemberment, but the performance limit of a bike is so high, I like the challenge.
If you get a 3rd gen it will be redundant with your other car. You already have basic grocery, snow, rain,… type of travel.
Having owned both, it seemed stupid to spend $Ks in mods to keep up with a basic 600 bike in a straight line. Keeping the 7 close from a stop or mid corner would be almost impossible.
OTOH, it is easier to learn to drive a car fast because you are not faced with the reality of death and dismemberment, but the performance limit of a bike is so high, I like the challenge.
01-13-03, 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by onikageka
Winter? That's easy. I still have my 1994 Mazda B4000 pickup 4x4 pickup truck.
Winter? That's easy. I still have my 1994 Mazda B4000 pickup 4x4 pickup truck.
01-13-03, 06:34 PM
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Very cool Kent! Thanks for the replies...yes, I've done many a track day (in cars) at Homestead and it's definitely not a good bike track. I was quite surprised at the initial reports suggesting that it was going to be held there. Glad to have you as a member of our community.
Michel
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01-13-03, 07:42 PM
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ok there's no doubt that a bike is more fun than a car. But if that's you only transportation and you have to ride it everyday sunny or rainy, then i don't think it would be that much fun...
01-13-03, 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by rx7tt95
Very cool Kent! Thanks for the replies...yes, I've done many a track day (in cars) at Homestead and it's definitely not a good bike track. I was quite surprised at the initial reports suggesting that it was going to be held there. Glad to have you as a member of our community.
Michel
Very cool Kent! Thanks for the replies...yes, I've done many a track day (in cars) at Homestead and it's definitely not a good bike track. I was quite surprised at the initial reports suggesting that it was going to be held there. Glad to have you as a member of our community.
Michel
01-14-03, 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by DRAG0NEER
ok there's no doubt that a bike is more fun than a car. But if that's you only transportation and you have to ride it everyday sunny or rainy, then i don't think it would be that much fun...
ok there's no doubt that a bike is more fun than a car. But if that's you only transportation and you have to ride it everyday sunny or rainy, then i don't think it would be that much fun...
I do it and refuse to go back to a cage (car). It is much more fun than the 7 was, but you have to think about different things than when owning a car. You may need rain gear, cold gear, hot gear, new girlfriend…
But on the plus side, gas is super cheap when you are getting 40 mpg and fill up is $6. Parking is easy. A new high performance superbike is the price of an econobox car. Maintenance is simple, oil change without ramps. It is by far the most economical means to get around. 10 sec ¼ miles from a stock daily driver is cool too.
However I would not recommend it for most. When I ride past a car in the sleet and rain I feel bad for the people trapped inside. They are seeing the world around them, I am living it. I also live in a city and if I did not feel like riding I could walk to store/ work/ wherever.
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05-08-03, 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by r1owner
The big advantage the bike has over the FD is that you can pound on the bike all freaking day long 13,000 RPM shifts (doesn't make much since to go higher on the R6 unless its an 03).
Once you're done carving up the corners, and blasting down the straights, then you just park it.
The next morning, you get on it, start it and ride it to work. Come the weekend, you beat on it some more!
Bikes love it, and can take it. I've owned a 600 from every major manufacturer, and never had to take one in for any unscheduled maintenance. They take a beating and keep going.
Now, try and run your FD like that, and see how long it lasts. Don't get me wrong, I love my FD, but every time I get on it, I spend more time watching the boost guage and various other instruments than the road, waiting for something bad to happen. It kinda takes some of the enjoyment out of it for me.
The big advantage the bike has over the FD is that you can pound on the bike all freaking day long 13,000 RPM shifts (doesn't make much since to go higher on the R6 unless its an 03).
Once you're done carving up the corners, and blasting down the straights, then you just park it.
The next morning, you get on it, start it and ride it to work. Come the weekend, you beat on it some more!
Bikes love it, and can take it. I've owned a 600 from every major manufacturer, and never had to take one in for any unscheduled maintenance. They take a beating and keep going.
Now, try and run your FD like that, and see how long it lasts. Don't get me wrong, I love my FD, but every time I get on it, I spend more time watching the boost guage and various other instruments than the road, waiting for something bad to happen. It kinda takes some of the enjoyment out of it for me.
05-08-03, 07:16 PM
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Don't know if you bought one yet, but I live in Denver, CO and am selling by 2001 R6 and getting an FD. Let me know if you are interested. It has a full Graves Titanium exhaust and other goodies. Thanks.
05-08-03, 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by RX7Elmo
You can't compare a bike to a motorcycle as others have stated....
You can't compare a bike to a motorcycle as others have stated....
05-09-03, 12:13 AM
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So do I...but I get to ride all the latest stuff.
And once in a while I get to drive some of the latest cars, too. Cool to be friends with editors of major car mags, too.
And once in a while I get to drive some of the latest cars, too. Cool to be friends with editors of major car mags, too.
05-09-03, 12:52 AM
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Hey guys, did I read somewhere that the editor of Cycleworld is part of our community?!!? Cycleworld magazine is cool...
So Kent - since the Brits bought all the US bike rags, when the heck are we going to get naked women in the pages like their bike rags have???
So Kent - since the Brits bought all the US bike rags, when the heck are we going to get naked women in the pages like their bike rags have???
05-09-03, 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by dclin
Hey guys, did I read somewhere that the editor of Cycleworld is part of our community?!!? Cycleworld magazine is cool...
So Kent - since the Brits bought all the US bike rags, when the heck are we going to get naked women in the pages like their bike rags have???
Hey guys, did I read somewhere that the editor of Cycleworld is part of our community?!!? Cycleworld magazine is cool...
So Kent - since the Brits bought all the US bike rags, when the heck are we going to get naked women in the pages like their bike rags have???
No worries. We need the room for info anyways...
05-09-03, 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by Kento
So do I...but I get to ride all the latest stuff.
And once in a while I get to drive some of the latest cars, too. Cool to be friends with editors of major car mags, too.
So do I...but I get to ride all the latest stuff.
And once in a while I get to drive some of the latest cars, too. Cool to be friends with editors of major car mags, too.
Have you heard any of the car editors talking about a future RX7? I have considered selling my FD, but I can't really think of another car that is out right now (that I can afford) that I'd rather have.
If they are coming out with a new RX7 that is turbocharged, then I might consider selling the FD.
I also seem to recall reading (in another mag) that Honda has changed the frame on the 600RR already for their racers, as they didn't have the geometry correct (possibly due to lack of test time). Do you know if this is true?
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I have both and the 2000 r6 is for sale. When the car is faster than the bike what the point! Plus it too expensive to keep both and I would probaly be dead with another yr of wheelies and endos.But nothing beats a bike on track day, knee draggin is something everone should do once!