alright, you've once again turned a conversation into a shit slingin' contest.

i had that thing on for a few months with the stock port motor, then another 2 months with the bridge, but the car got stolen so sucks to be me. driving up a mountain every day and night is about the most torture i can think of to put a manifold through.

since when is 304 a low quality material? granted it's not inconel, but it's fine for a manifold. i just don't know why you talk so much when you don't have any experience.

No, I am not. I'm trying to keep it nice and clean, but you like to argue peoples opinions. I'm not arguing the fact that the manifold held up to your abuse, and you was happy with it, etc. etc., however you like to argue the fact that I think they are crap. Your entitled to your opinion, along with me.

There's a hell of alot more abuse you can put on it than that. Launching a car at a drag strip on slicks will put ALOT of abuse on the whole car. Along with the sharp, constant turns with an autocross track/parking lot ( :) ).

I'm sorry to hear about your car being stolen, i'd hate to have that happen to me.

I don't think it's listed as 304 on their ebay auctions. I think they may state the flanges are, but not the tubing. Not only that, i'd love to know where they get the material from.

As far as experience goes, I have a hell of alot of experience. In no way am I trying to brag, or state that I know more than you, but I deal with materials all day long. (Machinist/Machine shop owner)

-Alex

Edit: Nevermind, I think you was speaking of experience with the manifold. :)

yea, i was talking about experience with that particular manifold. i know you know what you're doing in a shop.

Jesus, has everyone who knows their asses from their elbows left this place or what?

You can't run larger injectors with the pettit unlimited nor can you tune it. Its just a stock unit with a daughter board and aftermarket maps.

No, they just rarely visit such hopeless threads. And Tyler's post was pretty obvious, so leaving it at that would hopefully prod someone to learn something.

i agree but not everyone is an rotery expert. Me personaly would rather spend the extra $$$ and not have to spend more $$$ down the road. I also use my FD as a daily driver in the summer.

i'm not an expert. i'm an enthusiast that got out of hand :D

It's only odvious to those with the knowledge of the product. My mistake for even suggesting that it could be used in the application of my idea. I mainly did so because you can buy them cheap used and you would think that with the name (unlimited) that the ecu would have some tunning capability.

Now as for Tyler, he could have simply pointed out the faults with my post instead of leaving someone else to do it for him. Thats the main reason I said "you tell me".

That is exactly my point. For those who it isn't, a little searching could have uncovered the reasoning behind his post.

That's part of the "hopelessness" of this thread: If you can "buy them cheap used"--and you never see PFCs for "$300"-- do you think the cheap product would have tuning capability?

True, he could have. But maybe he decided not to for whatever reason, or he stopped looking at the thread. My response was not meant to insult you; only to explain why no one pointed out what the faults in your post were.

T-von, how do you control the creep. Did you port your WG? I went non-seq. the "temporary" way and ran open DP and got over 4 psi in boost creep.(yes I have a pfc and I hit fuel cut) I have a manual BC needle valve locked in its place by a set screw and still boostcreep like crazy.

Jeremy

**sorry if this is sidetracking!

i was thinking the same thing..open exhaust i would think you'd get severe boost creep so that wouldnt work

i said he is running the hks fcon not the Pettit ecu and he is running on stock injectors.
im still waiting for some one to say they have had a failure with one of these things on their fd.

Dude, you don't know enough about these cars to tell you are being seriously bullshitted.

Running 16-17 psi on a T3/T4 turbo with the stock injectors? Bwahahaha

don't look at things in psi...you don't know what that compressor flows. if it were a 60-1 or a 60 trim, etc etc, then you'd at least have a rough idea, but a "t4" doesn't mean shit since they vary so much.

Give me a freaking break, the stock injectors can't handle 15 psi on the stock twins, are you trying to tell me that they can handle 16-17 psi on a single turbo? I don't think so. It's frankly obvious that this guy isn't being honest about what's been done to his car.

dont' get all pissy--you know what i meant.

16 psi on an s-trim is NOT the same thing as 16 psi on a 62-1

Well I messed around with Max Coopers fuel calculations, and from that, the stock injectors can't support the hp needed to get that car into the 11's. I even tried various BSFC from .55-.64. I also maxed out the injectors to 100%. So there's no way he got into the 11's on the stock injectors. (2 550cc primary, 2 850cc secondarys)

-Alex

i played with the one from rx7.com

360 hp
2800 lb
4 shifts ( i counted the launch as one)
29" tire height
11.9 eta
and injectors @ 100% gives 422 hp--should do 360 whp

i think it's technically possible, but it would be at the very limits.

i wanna hear from whoever owns the car just to get the whole story.

Rynberg has been a knowledgable, respected and helpful person of the rotary community for a long time now. In regards to the topic at hand, I would happen to agree 100% with what he says. The stock injectors ARE maxed out ~15psi on stock twins. To claim they would have enough supporting fuel for even a cheap T3/T4 single at anything about 13+psi is ridiculous. The flow rate on this cheap turbo is obviously better than the stock twins and not only that, i'm sure it also flows slightly cooler air, which means its more dense, which means there are more oxygen molecules in it, which also means there needs to be more fuel to meet with it. Please think about that...

If you have so much faith in this guy then do us all a favor and go for his $1100 11 second program and prove us all wrong. Otherwise please stop bickering with the knowlegable people on this forum and STFU :)

Are you f'n kidding me? Ever hear of Brooks Weisblat, Kevin Wyum, Kyle Kruteliek, or any of the other 20+ guys (myself included) that have gone into the 11s (or very close to it) on stock injectors with no problems? Sure they might be maxed, but that really doesn't mean jack so long as the AFRs are in check and the octane is high enough.

Why, is there magic button that gets pressed when the injectors go to 100% that makes the motor pop? ....see above post, its been done plenty of times.

Yeah, running 100% daily a hundred percent of the time is definately deadly. I remember in the 5.0 days people used to run high 12s on practically stock motors with simple on track tricks. I still remember by just pulling the serpentine belt and taking off the sway bar got me to low 13s.

im not saying im an expert by any means! i will confrunt him with this and see if i can get him on here so he can tell you. im just saying what i have see with my own 2 eyes.

what i have posted is all true. i asked him and wha i have listed is what is done.


Update: he is has a haltech e6x and a turbonetics 60-1 with upraded injectors( 850's and 1600cc) and a clutch that he is installing as we speak and is hoping to break into the 10's.

Sorry, but just because he tells you that is what is there and then you parroting the info doesn't make it "true".