11's with $1100
 

there is a local rotary guy who has been trying to get me to run his setup for some time now which includes all e-bay and no name parts. well im not one for no name parts so i kept blowing him off until i saw how he ran at the track!
His setup includes a hks fcon, e-bay intercooler, turbo manifold and a no name turbo, t3/t4 that came with an external waste gate.
well he was pulling 1.7-1.8 60's on slicks and running 11.40's on 16-17psi. he has all of 1100 into his setup. and it still has the spool time of the stock twins.
the reason he went with this setup is because his stock twins ... well need i go further.

Anyways i was wondering if anyone else is running this simalar kind of setup and what kind of luck people are having with it because from what i have always heard the t3 side is way too small for a 13b.

It's definitely not hard to go fast on the cheap with a turbo car. My concern would be with the longevity of the setup - the FCON wasn't set up for that turbo.

I'd also be concerned with the durability of the components and maintenance. Hacked-in turbo and intercooler setups usually prove to be a BITCH to work around, Ebay manifolds frequently crack and leak, etc.

But, it is impressive. There's also a line between buying *cheap* and buying *smart*.

Dale

don't rule out the driver from the equation. i bet if i tried it in his car, i'd be doing 13s :)

i always love seeing the people who do more with less :)

but i'd be concerned with the longevity too.

cheap, fast, reliable

pick two

you can have all 3 if you know what you're doing.

my concern was durability too but he has been running this setup for about 6 months now and the only problem he has had is when he hoovered a rock in the turbo. so he just replaced it with one from garret.
for the price it doesnt seam too bad. if somthing does brake its cheap to fix :) just my $0.02

i pick cheap and reliable :bigthumb:

Um...replacing a Garrett turbo is a "cheap" fix?

i get all 3 :D

well, if he was running a no name turbo off ebay, it was probably a XS Power turbo, and I bet that wasent a pebble that damaged the turbo, it probably exploded all by it's self

I agree with Rynberg.
This reminds me of a quote that a friend of mine has (He is a custom home builder).
"Look at it as a Holy Trinity.......You can have it look good; You can have it quickly; and finally, You can have it inexpensive. You'll get 2 but not all three".

1. Running 11.4s requires over 400 rwhp.

2. There is NO FUCKING WAY a generic single with an OBX manifold (or similar) is making over 400 rwhp and has anywhere NEAR the spool time of twins. Maybe if they are non-sequential twins. With a pre-cat and stock cat.

3. He doesn't have just $1100 into that. He also must have a downpipe, midpipe, exhaust, upgraded injectors, and fuel pump. At a MINIMUM. Not to mention the slicks on a 2nd set of wheels. Or what about tuning?

4. And all of this is tuned with an F-con?

I don't buy it.

ooooooooooooooooo thats a bad quote

dude i have seen people in PUERTO RICO do 11s with stock turbos

the record on stock turbos in the high 10's. $1100 for all that i'm calling B.S.

well yeah $1100 is kinda wrong

the manifold is like 150
the turbo is 400
the f-con is around 300
wastegate 150
intercooler 200
not including the hose or clamps

=$1200

also not including:
dp
mp
catback
injectors
fuel pump
tuning

I'm sure the car is a POS. I can't believe it has lasted 6 months, there's no way.

no no no. he replaced the turbine on the no name turbo with a garret turbin.

if it sucked a rock, it'd be the compressor that got replaced.

ya your correct it would be the compressor but you knew what i was talking about.....
at first i was saying all the same things you guys are but for what it is it will run!
if you think about it even if you broke somthing it would be cheap to fix it. say the manifold started leaking $100-150 fix and so on.

i get it.. i've been known to do more with less, but that kind of performance for that budget impresses even me. i'm curious to see what the story is with the tuning and what gas it's burning--stuff like that.

i will find out more for you guys and get back to you. he owns a shop here in town and i have to swing past there later today anyways so ill let you guys know.

If I had to do it.....

Used Pettit Unlimited: $300
Used Downpipe: $100
Cutout: $50
Custom Intake: $100
Clutch: ????
Slicks: $300
Bleeder Valve: $10

Set her at 15 lbs and let it rip ;)

let it rip the apexs right off the rotor when your injectors hit 100% :)

he is running a walbro 255 also which i didnt know about but other than that stock fuel system. his clutch was stock the reason i say was is because its sliping really bad and needs to be replaced.othe then that thats all thats done to the car. when he ran it at the track he was running 91oct mixed with 110oct.

I believe you can hit 11's with under 400 hp. I went non seq. boosting 11 psi with a 3" DP and no muffler. I also have a PFC. I ran 13.1 on bald street tires breaking loose at the end of first until mid 2nd gear. My 0-60ft. was like 2.9 sec. :(. But point being.... I bet with a good driver, intercooler and slicks I believe 11.9 would be achieved.

Jeremy

BS story sorry. 11.4 on a stock clutch. Now that's funny. Sounds like the guy is trying to rope you in as a client by lying about his own car.

Kevin T. Wyum

Im sure it can be done. I talked to one guys who picked up an ss autocrome exhaust manifold for like 15 bucks (not a misprint), along with their wastegate for close to the same. If you dont mind using all shitty parts that have a high chance of failure, go for it. After all, when something brakes, it really isnt that expensive to fix.

Now, i definetely agree with Kevin about the stock clutch. It definately had to be upgraded.

Adam

SSautoChrome/XSPOWER (not to be confused with XS Engineering) and FAILURE in the same sentence? You don't say...


SSauto header -

http://img292.echo.cx/img292/7092/nicemanifold1gw.jpg


XSPower Turbo -

http://img294.echo.cx/img294/282/xspower0ta.jpg

I hate the SSAutoChrome shit to, but the manifold in the picture was re welded, which is why it broke. (shitty weld) If you search on google, you'll find the thread on a honda forum, from the guy with the manifold in the picture. The owner stated he cut the flange off, turned it so he could fit a larger turbo, and stick welded it back on.

One thing to note in the picture, the braces should have held the turbo up, which they did not!

-Alex

remember that thread i did on the ssautochrome manifolds and not one single person could show me a failed fd manifold? everyone says they're crap, but i've yet to see one break.

Oh geez, here we go again...:rolleyes:

Just because it hasn't cracked, doesn't mean it's not a POS. You said yourself that the holes don't even line up, and IMO, that's crap. They also use thinner materials, and lower grade material, so again, IMO, this makes it a POS.

Since there are only a hand full on FD's, and not for very long, you can't really say wether they will hold up or not, so you can only go by what's listed above. Armed with that info, they are crap.

Now if you'd like to purchase one, stick it on your FD, and run it in several track events a month (drag racing, autocross, etc., not just hard street driving), for a year or 2, and it holds up, i'll be more than happy to give them credit.

-Alex

Why go single when full non seq twins will do 11's at no cost if you DIY?

1. non seq...free
2. ebay down pipe $90.00 I've had one for 2 years and it's still holding up.
3. manuel cut-out $30.00 welded onto down pipe. "NO cat back needed"
4. ebay walbro pump $90.00. Proven to run in this hp range!
5. 1600cc secondary injectors and rail $260.00
6. manuel BC $10.00 works great.
7. ebay IC w/ebay IC piping kit.$300.00.
8. Clutch kit $400.00
9. Used Pettit unlimited $300.00
10. Tuning 200.00
11. Used E/T streets $100.00

Total around $1780.00.

Hmmmm not bad if you get creative.

Hmm......what's wrong with this picture?

we yea, they work but they're still crap because i say so!!! :rolleyes:

i hacked the flange off of one and rewelded it back on at an angle so i could use it with my fc and i beat on it daily. never had a problem with it.

instead of just saying they're crap, why don't you just say ok, they work, but a $1500 manifold might hold up better over 10 or 12 years. you just sound like you've got a grudge.

11s on not only a stock clutch but a stock SLIPPING clutch....hmmm wonder what he might have got 10s if it wasnt slipping :rolleyes:

well I am not super smart but I do know that if he tunes the nos fogger system he could run 9's!!! Playin, anyway if this $1200.00 11 second mod does work (which I wouldn't do it to find out) how dumb will he feel when he is on the side of the highway trying to get his fd on a flatbed, in the rain! I mean who does this. OK some cheap parts to cut corners because you know your saving for parts needed (ast, new radiator) ok but come on. Why dont he call ebay for a sponsorship!! haha that shit would be funny!

are you joking? its a FD it will see its fair share of flatbeds no matter what. im just saying as far as the manifold goes can anyone say they have had problems with there e-bay manifold. if so please post pics. because so far the only problem i have heard about it having to grind on them tho make them fit.

im sure you would feel even more stupid if you payed 4k for a hks kit and the compressor nut fell of on your turbo. do a search it has happend more than once.

^ it's no use. everyone's gonna say it's crap.

ok, it's crap. but it still works and i haven't seen one break yet :rolleyes:

i think lots of guys are just looking for justification for spending so much on their stuff.

couldnt of said it better my self.

it wasnt slipping at the time but after launching with slicks many times its starting to go out.

I thought you said yourself the turbos and w/g's are crap?! Last time I checked, there's more to this setup than a manifold.

-Alex

Are you just fucking stupid or what? Since when are people not entitled to their opinion? Last time I checked, I clearly stated in my post that everything was my opinion.

Good for you! But as we all know, street driving isn't the same as taking the car to the track, I don't care how hard you drive it on the street. If someone can show it'll hold up to some serious track time, then i'll promote the damn thing myself.

How long did you run the ebay manifold for?

They do work, but you can't say they will hold up over time, and track use, because you don't have a damn clue. So all we have to go by, is what they're made of. So again, due to their thinner, and low qaulity material, they are crap compared to other manifolds. If these lower grade/thinner materials are so great, why the hell arn't Nascar, etc. etc. using them? After all, they are cheaper. :rolleyes:

-Alex

You tell me!

I don't think you can run 1600cc injectors with the Pettit. I could be wrong though!

-Alex

That makes since.

I just noticed something else too...You can't have your pettit tuned. It already comes tuned! ;) :)

-Alex

we talking prostitutes :D