RotorMotor

iTrader: (5)

hey, this thread is to voice some concern for a thread that i posted yesterday which was locked. before whatever mod locked my thread moves or locks this one id like for the rest of the forum to see some of the biases, and controll over what people are allowed to say on the forum.

the thread i posted https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hreadid=263113 was about listing other sites to buy FD parts at. obviously it seems that someone didnt like the fact that that i A) pointed out other sites to buy parts from besides rx7store.net (which i put at the top of the list because i knew someone high up would get pissed about this thread) and B) to show the community that there are other stores out there, in an attempt to bring more competition to the table and help lower FD parts prices..... seems logical and fair to me... welcome to capitalism.

Anyway, id just like to inform the other readers of the forum of what i feel was an unfair act on the part of some mod or other person of authority on this forum. Obviously i stepped on some feet by posting that thread as it only stayed open for like 8 hours. i do not own any of the stores listed and feel that i set it up in a fair way so that every store, large and small, would have a fair chace of being listed... id hope that on this forum we would have the freedom to talk about anything FD related that would help the other readers.


So instead of PMing a mod, id like to ask this question to them out in the open in front of the community: What prompted you to close that thread, and will you please reopen it?? i dont feel like i said anything *wrong*

btw, i have a feeling that this thread will get canceled, moved, or locked.... but id like for this thread to stay here in the 3rd gen. forum for people to see it.... if this one gets moved then we definatly will see if we have a problem with free speech here on the forum.

Sincerely,
Heath

93BlackFD

i also mentioned nopistons.com in one of my posts and it was severly hacked and no explanation was posted...i feel this is an abuse of the authority and excessive in nature

AMRAAM4

Somewhat amazing to that I got about 400% better service from jt-imports, halfway around the damn world, than I did someone who highly supports this site.

jdhuegel1

...Been known to happen. I'll never understand.

RotorMotor

iTrader: (5)

93BlackFD: hmmm now some things start coming out of the woodwork.......

AMRAAM4: im not specifically pointing any fingers at rx7store.net as i dont know who closed the thread... but i am implying that something fishy may be going on

$150FC

I would like to know why the thread in question was locked, as there is nothing that I can see worthy of such an action.

DCrosby

Personally if this board wants me to give $5 for a shifter, since it was an unsanctioned group buy, then I believe I should be able to speak my mind... if it's soley supported by sponsors I can understand the descision, but it still falls into the censorship category....

BTW I didn't buy one, and don't plan on it in the near future... but I thought it ironic since reading the shifter thread...

respecttheseven

my buddy wanarace74 posted a comment on his brothers web site pre-auto.com and how it cool pics... he has been locked out ever since. abuse is an understatment...

kyle@insight

close a thread and the poster acts like you insulted their firstborn. Go figure.

It's politics and business guys. Basically what it boils down to. This site is FREE for everyone to use, but it's not free for the people who run it. Bandwidth is NOT cheap.

So what do you expect them to do? Pay for it out of their own pocket? The large amounts of money it costs them monthly? No way jose, they don't love you all that much. It costs MONEY. This site, in order to stay afloat, has to generate some sort of revenue. This is obtained via sponsors, which is what Jason and the rx7 store do. They pay a healthy pricetag in order to conduct business thru the forum. A very smart business move I might add, best way to reach his community of prospective buyers.

As part of the deal, I'd imagine that other businesses have restrictions on them. Again, smart business. That explains the listing of other vendors and what not.

Now, nopistons.... That's a competitor. It's another forum much like this one. By posting things from nopistons, mentioning the name, etc. That's basically advertising for them, advertising they don't pay for.

I'm not a mod on this site, nor do I ever expect to be, however I do have experience in it on other forums. That's how I know how these things work. I may not be completely spot on in my assumption, but I AM close.

Bottom line; lay off of the administration. They work pretty damn hard for little return and only cries of 'foulplay' when someone doesn't agree with their actions. Cut 'em some slack.

RotorMotor

iTrader: (5)

i have cut them some slack and so have many of the other people on this forum whose words have been erased, threads have been locked etc. i understand that i takes money to run the forum... thats great and all and i have bought a good amount of stuff from rx7store.net........... BUT, if the people higher up dont want us to say certain things then that needs to be expilcitly stated!!!!!!!!!!! and i bet if we were not allowed to write about a laundry list of things, then there would be no readers. ITS NOT OK TO GO BEHIND OUR BACKS! we are the readers..... WE ARE THE FORUM! i want everyone to hear this loud and clear!!! -heath

Sgtblue

iTrader: (16)

eh....I was kinda thinking the same thing but wouldn't have explained it that well... If you think all speech is free, trying saying "bomb" to the next gay flight attendant you see.

kyle@insight

Simmer down dude, if you're geting THAT uptight about a web forum I think you should probably go outside and get some fresh air..... has to have been a while.

rynberg

I totally agree, Kyle. The problem with our country is that everyone treats everything like it's a right, instead of a priviledge (driving tops the list).

This forum is ran by a private entity. As long as they don't discriminate against you for racial/sexual preference reasons, they can do whatever they want. If you don't like it, you don't have to be a member here. Go over to nopistons if you like, but the ratio of good member to idiot is a lot lower over there.....

DomFD3S

Do you realize how many things will have to be stated "explicitly" in order to have all of our bases covered? Much like the rule books used in law. Even then, rulings are debated and they change constantly.

I'm just a mod (some times, I feel like a janitor, other times...I'm a mod). I have zero financial interest in this website. I was given the position of mod, due to my concerns w/ various things that happen to this forum.

***Mod hat off***

With that said,...imagine if you were in Ryan's (BOOSTD7) shoes or Jason's shoes. You see people constantly say...."go here for a great deal". Keep in mind that these recommendations can become a form of free advertising. What would you do?

You say "We are the forum". Well, Ryan is the man who created "the forum". You make it sound like the current grocery store strike that is going on in CA,...trying to get the support of the collective whole. And much like the grocery store, I'll say this. You have every right to leave this forum. Ryan doesn't keep you on this forum. You do.

You are given a FREE User ID.
You don't pay any fee whatsoever.
And yet, you expect the right to post anything that you want?
If you go on a plane and yell "bomb"...what happens? You get arrested, and the FBI will interrogate you for hours on end. Why are you not allowed to yell "bomb" on a plane? Because these are basic rules that apply regardless of what you may think your rights are.

Free speech doesn't apply on this website. While the forum may be accessible to the public, it is privately owned.

DomFD3S

kyle@insight

Your post was excellent.

DamonB

I think we should make February 29th "Thank Your Mod Day". That way at least once every four years somebody will say "thank you" to the fact that some of us sit here and listen to all the complaining while spending our own time trying to keep the board somewhat orderly and resisting the temptation to tell people they are complete schmoes

DCrosby

Just like there are good cops and bad ones there are good mods and bad ones...

And as far as driving goes, I agree it isn't a right, it's a privilege.
But in this country it's a necessity, since you can't get anywhere around here on public transportation, without getting mugged, or just not getting there compare this country to Europe then look who's "Backwards" ...

If you're gonna take away our licenses at least give us an alternative, or else it becomes a necessity. Cause most of us wouldn't be able to hold on to our jobs without a car !!!

theloudroom

The owners of this board have the right to run it how they want, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't complain no matter what they do.

As far a being a business, there are plenty of sites which conduct themselves in a respectable, above-board manner, without removing posts without a trace or permabanning users.

Slashdot.org would be a great example of this. They get MUCH more traffic than rx7club.com and are advertiser supported as well. If you want to make fun of the microsoft ad at the top of the page, you can, no one will ban you or delete your post. They realize that the ability for people to say what's on their minds is one of the things that makes the site worth visiting in the first place.

Here it is in a nutshell:
Users value freedom of speech, because it makes a site a trustworthy source of information. Sure, you don't HAVE to give it to people on a private forum, but the more you take away, the more likely someone is to go elsewhere.
(If you didn't block people from discussing competing forums, there wouldn't be as many competing forums. How's that for circular logic? )

Now I'm not saying the management of rx7club.com are the scum of the earth. They seem to do a fairly good job, but IMO there is a little room for improvement.

I just wish there was more acknowledgement that a good reputation is something you can trade on, and you don't build a good reputation by deleting the posts of anyone who disagrees with you.
That's all I'm trying to say.

Sure I don't give this site any money, but I consider my posts to be valuable. As long as I think this is a decent place to post, I'll post here. If I thought the management was getting out of hand and didn't have the best interests of rx-7 owners at heart, I would post elsewhere.


I'm only posting because of this "They're a business so the can do whatever they want attitude." People don't come her for the ads, they come here for the posts.

They own the statium, but the players are free to play wherever they please. Without any players, what good is a stadium?

So sure, "they're in charge", but it would be wise to recognize that users are important too, and should be treated as such.

I don't really have any gripe to vent at the moment other than the whole "you have no right to freedom of speech here" comment is completely missing the much more complex issues involved here. I wish more people recognized that.

r0t0r-rooter

Agreed!








Just messin' around. Plz don't ban me.

theloudroom

I'll say thanks to you.

IMO, you are one of the core group of people who make this a worthwhile place to be.

I also haven't noticed you lock a thread just because the topic annoyed you. I think that's very important.

Red-Rx7

Heath,

Coming out against the forum and staff will not gain you respect nor empathy for one of your threads which was closed.

I suggest that you read the RX7CLUB's conduct rules:
https://www.rx7club.com/misc.php?s=&...q&page=4#intro

Please take notice specifically under the section named "Vendor Conduct". While much of the conduct rules listed here are aimed towards assisting potential vendors become authorized; the first sentence summarizes it all.

Granted, this rule has floating weight depending on the situation. There are a few forum conduct rules which also fall in this category.

With regards to your thread, I do not know the particular details in which spawned all of that activity. Regardless, I will inquire to grasp a better understanding of the sequence of events.

For future reference, if you have a problem with forum or staff, PM the appropriate party. In this case, you could have PM any of the Admins or the forum moderators for that section. Threads like these only cause situations to become worse, not better.

BATMAN

heath,

I understand some of ur points, but as people have mentioned and I have too, unless the bandwidth and maintainence costs are free for this site, then they have every right to protect their financial interests.

Furthermore, the RX7store.net profit margin is pretty low due to market prices. Any lower than that and they would question themselves as to the viable business sense in running this site.

Freedom of speach doesn't apply to privately owned businesses/sites such as this one. Otherwise I would have said some sexual things at work already.

Bottom line is that they can call the shots at whatever means they feel serves the interests of them and/or this site.

jspecracer7

:yawn:

93BlackFD

okay, refer to your own rules:

"Failure to comply with the above items may result in disciplinary actions being taken against you, including a ban on your forum account. These actions will be as follows:

For the first violation, a warning is sent via email or Private Message (PM) and the offending post is modified/deleted."

clayne

So let me get this straight.

1. Someone *mentions* alternate vendors for various products, a bookmark list if you will, with obviously no other purpose but to combine them into one list so that searching for something is easier for the consumer - and their thread ends up closed.

I did not see any ranking, bias, or directing occuring in that thread whatsoever. It was a simple "Hey guys, let's make a list of places to buy from."

2. The very mention of nopistons.com URLs, site, etc. results in some people's posts being edited, removed, threads closed, etc.

3. Throughout all of this there is NO explanation.


To the people saying "chill out" - stop beating around the bush about it - it's bullshit, plain and simple.

Go read the original thread referenced by RotorMotor and honestly try to tell us that had ANY vendor-specific bias or intention to attract potential customers to *anything*.

It didn't at all.

Just in case you're wondering, the application of strong-arm and gag-order style tactics to stop discussion that may result in further education and options available to the consumer is the very thing communist and dictator rulers participate in to prevent the spread of information and education.

I was hoping that we would be allowed a completely impartial environment for which to display our viewpoints, offer opinions, share experience, present information, debate various automobile related topics, and most of all help each other out.

I am getting the drift that there is more than meets the eye.