Why are 13b-REW so expensive now?
12-26-23, 04:52 PM
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Why are 13b-REW so expensive now?
I haven't been on the forum for a while, but have noticed that the cost of a new engine from Mazda is twice what it used to be. What gives? Do we know the reason why it has gone up and will it go down in the foreseeable future?
12-26-23, 06:08 PM
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From the video I watched of new 8C range extender rotary assembly line Mazda is currently using the rotary engine factory and workers to produce the new rotary engine.
I dont know if Im hoping they re-re-retool for 13B-REW in the future or a 16X for the Iconic SP.
I say re-re-retool because after RX-8 ceased production they retooled from 13B-MSP back to 13B-REW and we had a period of readily available cheap crate engines.
I dont know if Im hoping they re-re-retool for 13B-REW in the future or a 16X for the Iconic SP.
I say re-re-retool because after RX-8 ceased production they retooled from 13B-MSP back to 13B-REW and we had a period of readily available cheap crate engines.
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12-27-23, 01:27 AM
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Mazda Motorsports pricing-
Before 2018 $3,400
after 2018 $4,900
Now 2023 $5,900
Almost doubled in last 5 years.
Do prices ever go down?
I did think it was kind of crazy in 2018 when I bought a crate engine that a brand new engine from Mazda cost just a couple hundred more than a brand new set of stock twin turbos from Hitachi.
than
Before 2018 $3,400
after 2018 $4,900
Now 2023 $5,900
Almost doubled in last 5 years.
Do prices ever go down?
I did think it was kind of crazy in 2018 when I bought a crate engine that a brand new engine from Mazda cost just a couple hundred more than a brand new set of stock twin turbos from Hitachi.
than
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12-27-23, 02:41 PM
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From the video I watched of new 8C range extender rotary assembly line Mazda is currently using the rotary engine factory and workers to produce the new rotary engine.
I dont know if Im hoping they re-re-retool for 13B-REW in the future or a 16X for the Iconic SP.
I say re-re-retool because after RX-8 ceased production they retooled from 13B-MSP back to 13B-REW and we had a period of readily available cheap crate engines.
I dont know if Im hoping they re-re-retool for 13B-REW in the future or a 16X for the Iconic SP.
I say re-re-retool because after RX-8 ceased production they retooled from 13B-MSP back to 13B-REW and we had a period of readily available cheap crate engines.
That sucks they are using the factory for a range extender. I doubt that car is a hot seller for Mazda.
It deserves another thread, but that Iconic SP is pointless to have a rotary. From my understanding the rotary only works as a generator for the batteries/electric motors. At that point you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 13b or a 2.5 iron duke.
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12-27-23, 03:32 PM
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the odd part is the price increase, i've never seen one that big before, and ive been at this for 30 years!
the really odd one though is the 2019+ Mx5 transmission, those doubled too, but they are all under warranty, so Mazda is just changing themselves more.
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12-27-23, 05:14 PM
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i was hoping to actually hear it from someone at Mazda during Sevenstock, but i didn't. however i think you are correct. Mazda bought a couple fancy new machines to make the 8C, and maybe the assembly of those took all the available time, so the REW got shoved aside.
the odd part is the price increase, i've never seen one that big before, and ive been at this for 30 years!
the really odd one though is the 2019+ Mx5 transmission, those doubled too, but they are all under warranty, so Mazda is just changing themselves more.
the odd part is the price increase, i've never seen one that big before, and ive been at this for 30 years!
the really odd one though is the 2019+ Mx5 transmission, those doubled too, but they are all under warranty, so Mazda is just changing themselves more.
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12-28-23, 10:16 AM
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I believe the rotary enthusiasts are an endangered species within Mazda... we've already seen that only a few staff work on rotary products there.
Mazda's business has been diminishing in recent years (due to changes in consumer preferences and the premature push to electrification/hybrid) but this year's revenues are up:
https://www.mazda.com/en/investors/financial/highlight/
Customers, not necessarily RX-7 owners, want cars like the CX-90 and they are more profitable.
Selling cheap cars and parts (as much as this pains us) doesn't work for Mazda's survival. Korean and Chinese cars are taking market share and Mazda has to partner with companies like Toyota to survive in today's market.
Mazda's business has been diminishing in recent years (due to changes in consumer preferences and the premature push to electrification/hybrid) but this year's revenues are up:
https://www.mazda.com/en/investors/financial/highlight/
Customers, not necessarily RX-7 owners, want cars like the CX-90 and they are more profitable.
Selling cheap cars and parts (as much as this pains us) doesn't work for Mazda's survival. Korean and Chinese cars are taking market share and Mazda has to partner with companies like Toyota to survive in today's market.
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12-28-23, 01:12 PM
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12-28-23, 01:19 PM
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I didn't say CX-90 customers weren't suckers... but people buy what they want, regardless of the consequences.
12-28-23, 01:26 PM
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The Mazda dealer said the CX-50 and CX-90 were "months away" so I bought a new CRV off the Honda lot.
Then the next week the CX-50 and CX-90 showed up at the dealer.
The little motor in the CRV reminds me of driving a 1950s *****'s jeep (not that there is anything wrong with that)..
That new 6 cylinder in the CX-90 is appealing.
But I'll likely be driving the CRV for the next 20 years.
Then the next week the CX-50 and CX-90 showed up at the dealer.
The little motor in the CRV reminds me of driving a 1950s *****'s jeep (not that there is anything wrong with that)..
That new 6 cylinder in the CX-90 is appealing.
But I'll likely be driving the CRV for the next 20 years.
12-29-23, 03:53 AM
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When you can build a high performance conventional engine with aftermarket rods, forged pistons, crank, cams, etc, for thousands less, the future isn't looking too stellar.
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the CX90 is a RWD platform, and they have a new Rotary engine, so new sports car would be really easy
12-29-23, 12:27 PM
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It was sad to hear.
01-02-24, 07:41 PM
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just rebuild what you have with new major parts, it will be less than a new keg if you have the resourcefulness to pull it off, some parts shipped direct from Japan are less (8.5 CR T2 rotors), Mazda Motorsports; if you’re a member, on the parts that aren’t (irons and housings), etc.
if you don’t need emissions, two front rotor housings rather tha a rear housing saves about $300 or so, RX8 6-port stat gears many hundreds of dollars less, and so on …
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if you don’t need emissions, two front rotor housings rather tha a rear housing saves about $300 or so, RX8 6-port stat gears many hundreds of dollars less, and so on …
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01-03-24, 08:51 AM
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It's likely a combination of a few things.
1. Post COVID, stuff is just more expensive globally. Supply chains, raw materials, transportation, labor etc., were all disrupted, stuff costs more.
2. The production capacity is shared with new models (range extender)
3. They've adjusted the cost to be a viable business moving forward.
That last point is actually a good thing if you think about it. Motors (and plenty of other parts) had become scarce, rarely in stock, backordered, or NLA. If the motors are more money but Mada actually produces the stuff because they can make money on it, that's better for us long term. It's a low volume specialty model, the fact that you could get a new motor for it for $5k probably wasn't sustainable.
1. Post COVID, stuff is just more expensive globally. Supply chains, raw materials, transportation, labor etc., were all disrupted, stuff costs more.
2. The production capacity is shared with new models (range extender)
3. They've adjusted the cost to be a viable business moving forward.
That last point is actually a good thing if you think about it. Motors (and plenty of other parts) had become scarce, rarely in stock, backordered, or NLA. If the motors are more money but Mada actually produces the stuff because they can make money on it, that's better for us long term. It's a low volume specialty model, the fact that you could get a new motor for it for $5k probably wasn't sustainable.