Who else appreciates a stock FD?
#51
Rotary Enthusiast
I meant to add that Ari put a nice map in my PFC and it ran incredible!!! Smoother than the stock ecu for sure. Nice afr and transition no hesitation whatsoever. Very well thought out map. That was without an actually tune on the car. It doesn't have the protection of the factory ecu of course, but she ran beautifully. Then I had to go out and put bigger injectors and blah blah...... damnit
#52
Eh
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Ill admit in my younger years I was guilty of running large ports on stock twins. It just adds lag, drive ability and idle issues. Very few will recognize any benefits from porting the engine on stock twins. The smaller power curve and the annoyances are not worth the 15-20rwhp gain. I’m old now though and don’t want to hear the exhaust, let a lone listen to it idle horribly.
#53
How often do you drive your FD? Do you think you would drive it more if it was completely stock?
#54
43 yrs of driving My 7's
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A whole lot of truth^. Im a big proponent of the Pettit and M2 modified factory ECUs. Even with emissions deleted, the stock ecu offers the best driveability and comfort for stock twins if you have a healthy engine. It can even handle minor porting before the overly rich idle becomes obnoxious. One thing you mention that most ignore is the tip in issues with aftermarket ecus. In my opinion, its more annoying then minor 3k hesitation that happens on stock ECUs. The stock ecu/modified ecus do have their limits but overall driveability is unmatched. The only reason I like the PFC as well is because of the commander and its ability to display so many different readings without having aftermarket gauges displayed in the car.
Mike
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#55
rotorhead
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Getting back to this comment: it depends on your reference point. Drive modern turbo BMW's for example and they have much quicker response than a stock FD, closer to a naturally aspirated engine. Drive a naturally aspirated engine and it feels responsive, until you drive an electric and it feels laggy in comparison.
#56
Don't worry be happy...
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Getting back to this comment: it depends on your reference point. Drive modern turbo BMW's for example and they have much quicker response than a stock FD, closer to a naturally aspirated engine. Drive a naturally aspirated engine and it feels responsive, until you drive an electric and it feels laggy in comparison.
#58
Rotary Freak
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The thing that always gets me about a stock FD, is how high you sit (and then how huge the wheel is). I've had race seats fixed-mounted on the floor and a 330mm wheel forever, and I can't remember the stocker. I think I'd need some Spirit R seats or something for a daily driver. I'd love to have the space for one though.
#60
needs more track time
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I suspect I would have to be more careful driving a completely stock FD than my mildly modded FD since the stock cooling system just doesn't work well enough for my usage - even in stop/go traffic. YMMV
#62
Spoolin'
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I dyno'ed my close to stock FD with stock port, stock twins, AC, cat and RB exhaust running on Pettit ECU and got 345 rwhp on a Dynapack dyno.
Definitely admire the capability and appreciate it very much.
I've been looking for a replacement and can't find one unless I spend 4x the price.
Definitely admire the capability and appreciate it very much.
I've been looking for a replacement and can't find one unless I spend 4x the price.
#64
Eh
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I dyno'ed my close to stock FD with stock port, stock twins, AC, cat and RB exhaust running on Pettit ECU and got 345 rwhp on a Dynapack dyno.
Definitely admire the capability and appreciate it very much.
I've been looking for a replacement and can't find one unless I spend 4x the price.
Definitely admire the capability and appreciate it very much.
I've been looking for a replacement and can't find one unless I spend 4x the price.
#65
what would make this 3k hesitation worse? mine all of a sudden at 3k falls on its face then pulls strong after. solenoid or some kind of vac leak?
#67
Most of the Pettit ECU FDs I owned or was in our group back int he early 2000s were making between 320-350rwhp on 12-15lbs with fulll exhaust and supporting mods. When I was trying to push a set of unbreakable seals to their limits years ago I raced my buddies E55 that trapped 93mph in the 1/8 mile(high 11 second car) and I pulled on it running a pettit ecu, water meth injection and 16-17lbs of boost. The Pettit ECU can be a lot of fun and the best part about it is retaining the stock ecu drivability assuming you don't have a 3k hesitation issue.
#68
Eh
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It was non-sequential so EFR had much better response. The twins pushed to their limits are really impressive but that comes with a ton of heat and headaches. If I had to guess my twin car was likely making around 360-380rwhp depending on which generous dyno shop you use. Comparable power a 8374 makes on 12-13lbs but with a much uglier torque curve.
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