Mark the GT3 is a 997.1 RS

The FD is making approx 330 rwhp at 10 psi on a TO4e turbo. Which in my book is the perfect track turbo for the 13b and that power is also about right if you want to keep the car running through thick and thin.

Gordon,
You'd love the GT3 but it's pretty much a track only car. No way to ever appreciate what it's capable of on the street or even at an autocross.

Here's some pics of the track weaponry :icon_tup:

The red FD pictured is my baby, it's the longest I've every owned one of these cars, going on 5 lovely years together and she's a very special one. Ruff around the edges but definitely the sharpest knife in the drawer.

The best story I heard on S2K (where NSX/honda fanboi humpers are legion) was that the NSX engine can take up to 50k miles to break-in, lol

Nice

Ok, it's an RS, and you're not quite 350 in the FD, but I think we can resolve the "350 rwhp FD can smoke a GT3" thing, once you get the GT3 suspension dialed, right?

Fritz, is the MS R spoiler I see?

You are correct once I spend another 10k or so on susp upgrades the GT3 should be competitive or possibly faster than my FD in it's current state.

However imagine what 10k invested in the FD would do and that's probably the direction I'll take.

That's the MS GTC spoiler. I could use your big spoiler maybe we can trade ;)

THIS

Its rather amusing how ignorant this guy can be. Almost to a point to where it seems like he's doing it purposely but really he's just that close minded.

And its one thing to give opinions but to argue them like their facts, now thats just LOL.

I think this thread needs more pics of your BEAUTY man.

Please post them ;)

Quit stalking me for once you little punk.

A friend of mine has been looking into getting a supra lately and mentioned how the prices have gone down lately. Once I graduate in December that's honestly something I can see myself picking up and slightly modifying for a fun, reliable, 350whp daily. That is if I don't go to grad school.

In a perfect would I would pick up a low mileage verde ithaca gallardo 560 or 570 and ship it off to underground racing for a twin turbo build.

As much as I like and respect the NSX, I think for the money, I'd still be happier having an older and more rare car...280Z w/ 2JZ is still my #1 choice. Hell, maybe in a few years after I am tired of dumping money into the FD, I'll just buy my brother's RB25 280Z or something. lol

$25k+ for a 10+ year old "exotic" sports car....or spend $15k for a fully-built inside and out oldschool Datsun 240/260/280Z... To me, the choice is simple.

I'd drive an NSX in a heart beat, but I'd rather spend that $15k and have $10k left over for savings, or pay down my Sonata car loan. lol

^.^

15k for a fully built 280z??

Where can i buy such an animal?

Btw, i still fail to see why people knock the nsx because of its lack of power. There are FAR much more to a car than just straight line speed. Look at the interior build quality of the nsx. Its a mid engine car for gods sake lol. And it has a timeless look, just like the FD. Saying one is more prettier than the other is subjective and opinionated. They both were ahead of its time.

Dont forget the nsx was 90 GRAND brand new. So 25k for a once 90k car is a bargain. Especially since its still a GREAT car, whether you wanna daily drive it or actually be competitive on a track.

So far there are TWO people that went from an FD to an NSX. Jay and viking.

And both had a lot of FD seat time under their belt so their choice to switch was simple.

BATMAN and JEFFSHOOTS also went from FD to NSX, not to mention a few other less known folks.

NSX???????????? shit i will give my FD up just for a FORD RAPTOR :)

Add me to the list...but didn't go from FD to NSX....just added the NSX because I wanted the RX-7 to be a track only car.

Here is the difference to me....NSX is a great car to drive. I have had mine 2 years and have driven it 20k miles (including about 4 months of downtime due to a broken transmission). I don't care about mileage as long as it is still fun to drive. It is my daily driver for the most part, but I do drive the '83 RX-7 several times a week. The NSX crowd is a bit older (most owners are nearly twice my age), but they are extremely nice people who just love their cars...at least in this area.

Now the FD is a whole other beast in my book. I had one previous FD (2002-2004) and regret selling it more than anything. So after 3 years without one, I had to have another. In 2007, I picked up my new FD from Fritz and never looked back. The FD is just a dream really. I love driving it, I love working on it, I love just knowing it is in the garage. Mine is in the middle ground between a street car and a race car, but moving towards full race car territory fast (which is where I want it).

Now everyone who has asked me, "Which one do you like more?" my response is always the RX-7. There are days when I contemplate selling the NSX to get a second FD, but then realize that I love the NSX for what it is and don't need two of the same car...but the thought is always there.

Another factor is that NSX is unreasonably expensive to modify and isn't much fun to work on, where the FD is much less expensive to modify (but still not cheap) and is a joy to work on. They are both great cars, but don't think one can really replace the other.

And in response to the original purpose of this thread...to me, there is no car after the FD.

My brother sold and then re-bought his fully-built RB25 280Z that I've already flooded the thread with pics with, for $13k. He sold it for a good deal, because it was my best friend...and he got it back at the same price only because even after all the body work was done, he had already bought a new Camaro, so he didn't really need it..That, and he couldn't handle having no heat/A/C. lol sissy

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It didn't look near this good when he bought it, mind you..But it was still in pretty good shape. My bro bought it stock and running at $2,500 IIRC...fixed it up, new bushings etc..then the RB25 (figure $2k-ish or so), and he went to town.

No major fabrication work was necessary other than motor/tranny mounts IIRC, then a custom driveshaft. My brother did all the work and wiring himself, so overall he didn't spend much on the initial swap.

So for $15k, I would argue to say that a fully-built Datsun Z is TOTALLY doable, my friend. :]

I agree with you on the S2000, it is in a lower league compared to most cars mentioned in this thread but Supra was one of the best and most desirable sports car of its day and still is, for people who are into Japanese turbocharged cars.

S2000s are very easy to work on and pretty cheap to modify, however. It's really not that tough to squeeze 350 rwhp out of the F22 with a supercharger - a 350 rwhp S2000 is nothing to sneeze at

The Supra is a more "collectable" car than the FD, especially the 97/98 version. This can be seen in re-sale prices today and I would be willing to bet they will be more valuable going forward too. For under 20k the FD is extremely hard to beat, after that price point I do not think it can compete with cars below 50k. Like mentioned earlier, you can pick up a viper gts in the low 30s and a twin turbo gts for 40k to 45k. This is a rx7 forum, so the bias lies with the FD but IMO it is often put on an undeserving pedestal here. Whenever I have the ability to own a car again I will be making the move towards the gts and selling my FD. Just my .02.

It's just not a very good looking car at all (Mk IV Supra) although a nice set of wheels definitely helps - seems to attract the gold chain and earring wearing crowd

I would 100% agree, the jza80 never did anything for me on an appearance front, but you have to respect a motor that can handle 700whp+ on the stock block.

I don't think NSX were sold in the 90K range til after 02 models came out... and those I have yet to see for 25K.

I'd have to say if I ever get a fd and had to sell it I'd have to put it towards a rally fighter. For the price you pay it's hard to beat the whole experience

I don't see a supra being a collectable. I think they are expensive because of their motors and their well deserved reputation. I don't see anything about them that makes them unique outside of their performance. There will always be faster cars in the future so I feel like they don't stand the test of time as well as an Rx7, NSX or a 240z. People paying out the ass for a supra probably do so to mod the car and get the most performance out of them. At that point, the car stops being a collectable and starts being a toy. I have nothing against the car myself. I always at least respect a well taken care of stock one (we've talked about this before haaa) but I don't think they are more collectable at all. I think what may make the FD less collectable is if a flood of RHD ones come into the states. Apparently they are everywhere in Japan right?

I love my FD and I may joke about it being the best car on Earth but I don't actually think it is. The car is a Financial Disaster and far from being fix and forget. An FD is an easy car to love from the outside but a hard one to own and in the end I think FD owners can sometimes be the most unbiased people ever. Having said that, you have to give more credit to the FD. There aren't many top 10 cars of the 90's where the rx7 isn't present. Sometimes behind the NSX, sometimes ahead. You will rarely ever see people on other forums say that the FD is ugly and not unique and I haven't met a non-rx7 car guy (of all ages) that has said they don't like em. Even random people look at the car and at the very least know that it is something special. Of all the import cars that have come out in the 90's, I think the opinion on the FD is the least polarized. Someone usually finds something they like about the car.

Props on the GTS Bryan. When you get one give me a ride man!

That is the kinder and gentler phrasing :)

The doctor from Chicago who handed me the keys with 13k miles on the clock 13 years ago - 100% stock right down to the tires and the factory grease on the throttle cable at the time - told me it was the closest thing I'd ever get to two wheels in a car. He was right, but he forgot to tell me to wait until I was 40 and invest my money more wisely until then.

But when I pulled out of the driveway, I was the happiest guy in the world - a car I had wanted since I first saw it reviewed in C&D.

As far as rare and desirable 90's Japanese muscle cars go....I would say that the NSX, Supra, 300ZX TT, and 3000GT VR-4 are in the same "class"...

But does anyone care about that? No.

As far as the "Anyone who sees the car, even if they don't know what it is will turn their head and stare." class.....the RX-7 still stands alone. NSX would be close 2nd though. :P


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