ABS Delete Kits
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06-02-22, 05:13 PM
#5
also, deleting the abs makes for so much more room to put stuff and does make for a much cleaner and more tidy engine bay for those of us that care about that.
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12-15-22, 03:18 AM
#10
Rotary Enthusiast
And here I am adding 4 channel ABS and DSC into an FD I must be crazy.
I almost killed an old guy on his bicycle a few weeks ago. He crossed the street without looking. Only thing that saved him was the ABS in my wife’s car. If the car didn’t have ABS, I would currently be dealing with a murder charge.
Keep your ABS.
I almost killed an old guy on his bicycle a few weeks ago. He crossed the street without looking. Only thing that saved him was the ABS in my wife’s car. If the car didn’t have ABS, I would currently be dealing with a murder charge.
Keep your ABS.
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12-25-22, 04:19 PM
#12
Senior Member
If you pull your ABS
If you remove your ABS, send it my way.
My ABS leaks brake fluid, and was contemplating replacing the internal O-rings.
But I am hesitant to pull mine and risk destroying something that is hard to replace.
Having one to practice on might reduce the risk...
My ABS leaks brake fluid, and was contemplating replacing the internal O-rings.
But I am hesitant to pull mine and risk destroying something that is hard to replace.
Having one to practice on might reduce the risk...
12-25-22, 04:20 PM
#13
Those who have never driven in ice and snow are still messed up WITH ABS. It's not like ABS makes you stop faster on ice or snow, ABS keeps the wheels turning to allow you to stop, it still requires a surface with friction. Ice and snow is an issue with inertia, not the ABS.
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FDAUTO (12-26-22)
12-26-22, 02:08 PM
#15
I don't understand the debate here. It's a proven fact that ABS is better than no ABS. Even the highest end race cars use it. Obviously one can drive without it and there were people that drove on snow and ice before it's invention. However, it's a fact that it improves safety and decreases the risk of uncontrolled slides caused by brake lockup.
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mr2peak (10-26-23)
12-26-22, 02:15 PM
#16
I don't understand the debate here. It's a proven fact that ABS is better than no ABS. Even the highest end race cars use it. Obviously one can drive without it and there were people that drove on snow and ice before it's invention. However, it's a fact that it improves safety and decreases the risk of uncontrolled slides caused by brake lockup.
That's a dubious statement when you factor in the age of an FDs ABS strategies. No question modern performance oriented ABS systems are fantastic however the FDs - and all of the early 90s Japanese ABS and traction control solutions (looking at you Toyota Supra) - were really terrible and abrupt.
I'll personally be trying to integrate a Bosch M5 system in my FD sometime in the future, however in the interim I'd prefer an ABS delete over an early 90s control system in my fun car.
12-26-22, 02:20 PM
#17
It's not at all a dubious statement. Yes, todays systems are better. Doesn't mean the old ones were unsafe or worse than manual. Maybe the older ones don't provide the performance you'd like for the track. But a 90's ABS system still had decades of development put into it and was already becoming a main stream requirement.
Let's not be idiots here. ABS is a good thing. If you want to make it better, go ahead. But removing a working system from a car is idiotic unless it doesn't meet one's unique performance needs on a race track. Which is not what 99% of these cars do.
Let's not be idiots here. ABS is a good thing. If you want to make it better, go ahead. But removing a working system from a car is idiotic unless it doesn't meet one's unique performance needs on a race track. Which is not what 99% of these cars do.
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12-26-22, 02:34 PM
#18
It's not at all a dubious statement. Yes, todays systems are better. Doesn't mean the old ones were unsafe or worse than manual. Maybe the older ones don't provide the performance you'd like for the track. But a 90's ABS system still had decades of development put into it and was already becoming a main stream requirement.
Let's not be idiots here. ABS is a good thing. If you want to make it better, go ahead. But removing a working system from a car is idiotic unless it doesn't meet one's unique performance needs on a race track. Which is not what 99% of these cars do.
Let's not be idiots here. ABS is a good thing. If you want to make it better, go ahead. But removing a working system from a car is idiotic unless it doesn't meet one's unique performance needs on a race track. Which is not what 99% of these cars do.
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12-31-22, 09:21 AM
#20
If I didn't primarily track my car, I would definitely keep the ABS system in-place. My brake setup is drastically different, though, with a pedal box. I appreciate that it is very easy to feel exactly when the brakes are about to lock-up, and my FD only leaves the garage for track days and fair weather street driving (which I rarely do unless it's DGRR!).
10-26-23, 11:38 AM
#21
Junior Member
It's not at all a dubious statement. Yes, todays systems are better. Doesn't mean the old ones were unsafe or worse than manual. Maybe the older ones don't provide the performance you'd like for the track. But a 90's ABS system still had decades of development put into it and was already becoming a main stream requirement.
Let's not be idiots here. ABS is a good thing. If you want to make it better, go ahead. But removing a working system from a car is idiotic unless it doesn't meet one's unique performance needs on a race track. Which is not what 99% of these cars do.
Let's not be idiots here. ABS is a good thing. If you want to make it better, go ahead. But removing a working system from a car is idiotic unless it doesn't meet one's unique performance needs on a race track. Which is not what 99% of these cars do.
10-26-23, 12:56 PM
#22
Originally Posted by Gone_in_60k
Not having a questioning attitude is idiotic. When you see shops doing it on builds, and companies making the kits, it raises the question. That is why we are here.
If you base your logic on "companies making kits and shops doing builds" that logic would lend itself well to lambo doors and fake turbo gimmicks. If that's what you are after with a default questioning attitude without logic, have at it. Think it makes more sense to have a curious attitude to understand things to then form an opinion. Questioning everything just to have an attitude is pretty dumb. Are you a flat earther or something?
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10-26-23, 10:37 PM
#24
Rotary Enthusiast
Companies make parts because people will buy them. Anyone want an electric supercharger from China?
If you're scared of your ABS going into "ice mode", just remember: lift your foot, and then re-apply the brakes. Coincidentally, that's exactly the same thing you need to do when your brakes lock up without ABS...
If you're scared of your ABS going into "ice mode", just remember: lift your foot, and then re-apply the brakes. Coincidentally, that's exactly the same thing you need to do when your brakes lock up without ABS...
10-27-23, 04:32 AM
#25
Junior Member
I think most of us understand the companies make parts stuff. The gimmicky crap from China is an extreme example. The companies making abs delete kits are in some cases well known, or rotary specific. Also, I don’t see 75-100k builds with that gimmicky garbage. However, the ABS delete is done, and done by reputable builders. It raises the question within a community dedicated to all things RX-7 related. This info in this thread is more valuable than some may think. Many people may not ask, rather follow a build they have seen. Everyone responding with personal experience and knowledge are providing insight into the option that is real and out there for sure.