What has always bothered me during my parking lot drifting adventures is that it seems like getting the rear end out is very tough.. which confuses me

I've seen videos where it looks like it took almost zero effort get the car to break out and to control it and I wonder what is it that makes those cars so much different..

Do the rear steer eliminators factor in that much?

For me to break my car sideways, it takes a very violent cut the opposite way then to the inside, and most of the time it understeers anyway.

I dont think that power is a problem because of course everyone has seen how easily tuned 86s slide around and thats a naturally aspirated 4age, which to me couldnt be putting out more power then my 13bt.. so whats the trick?

 

nevermind, you said 13BT....maybe your LSD is worn out? im not sure

 

btw, you are just trying to turn to make it slide? try pulling the ebrake, or popping the clutch...

 

i checked the lsd and it appeared fine (the rotate the tires test while its off the ground)

who knows

 

Hey amused... sorry a bit of topic... but, where'd you get your Mazadspeed replica lip? How's it fit etc? Got any pics?

Thanks.

 

i got it from corksport for 200+ s&h

i refuse to use the ebrake.... id rather take advantage of RWD

 

??? you dont pull up on it to drag *** like a FWD..when ever you try to steer to make it slide out, pull up on it, to make it lock em up, then push it back down, quickly...this should give the desired effect of your rear end breaking traction...Otherwise, use the clutch pop, very effective..

 

I noticed that same thing last night when I went driving with some freinds. My car seemed to absolutely refuse to drift, it would just stick until it started to understeer.

Not that that's really bad, grip driving is faster anyway, but it would be fun to drift.

I've heard A LOT of people say if you really want to drift you need to use bushings or something to remove the rear-steer though.

 

Damn who wants a car that can actually handle!! The best (or worse) drifting car that I know of is a Camaro, drive one in the rain and drift into telephone poles at will.

 

First of all, a S5 viscous LSD doesn't wear out like a clutch-pack diffy. The fluid can lose its effectiveness, but supposedly the viscous diffy is considerably longer-lasting than a clutch-pack.

Secondly, the rear-steer eliminator bushings will not make it easier to get your rear-end loose. The bushings just make the rear of the car handle like a normal RWD car. The bushings will not make it easier to get the rear-end loose, they'll just make it easier to control.

To get your car to handle the way you want it, I'd invest in a set of adjustable shocks (KYB AGXs), and dial in the suspension correctly. Stiffen up the rear suspension, and you can expect the *** of your car to go wherever you want it (and some places you don't!)

 

That definately describes my friends Firebird Formula There were many times last night when we'd take a corner and I'd watch him do a 360 on accident, and I'd have to slam on my brakes lol. Of course, that was when our OTHER friend was driving, who thinks he knows everything. Oh well.

But yah, I LOVE how my TII handles.

 

Well if your really gutsy and want to wear out your clutch quick you can do clutch kicks, so pretty much drive it hard ot the apex of the turn and then push the clutch in , while staying on the gas and then let it out really quickly. upsets traction in the rear but eats your clutch nicely unless its an aftermarket.

Theres endless techniques you could do, just check out some drifting sites.

 

how much for a set of KYB adjustable shocks the red ones anybody know?

 

$410 k2rd.com

 

your not goign fast enuf! also, yanking ebrake cant because to start a drift, those who say no have never gotten sideways!

 

I tried the e-brake in the rain once......needsless to say I got sideways mad qwik.......remember clutch pedal to the floor otherwise you **** things up......

 

Uh... wow. That made absolutely no sense.

 

Its all about weight transfer drifting!!! You should try drifiting at higher speeds i mean you are doing it in the dry and you cant drift going slow, and the reason why it looks so easy for the other ppl to do it is becuz they know how and have been doing it for awhile. Takes practice guys, it just takes practice....

 

heres an EASY way to get sideways: Approach a slow 90 degress turn at about 40, brake w/the clutch in, drop to 2nd, and with foot OFF the gas drop the clutch then turn in sharply. of cource there is some countersteering and ****, but thats basically it. i do it all the time on left handers on the street.
40mph, 2nd gear, drop clutch/turn and smile.

 

You forgot the last step: Pray nothing on your driveline snaps!

Definately using a clutch-dump technique will help you to drift, but it is very hard on your car. If you're serious about drifting, find the Drift Bible DVD on ebay or something. It has all kinds of different techniques from begining to advanced, and it walks you through all of them.

 

Thats debateable. Drifting alows faster exit speeds out of a corner. Weather or not it's entirely faster in the long-run, depends..

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That's not always true though... if you can grip a corner really well, you can accelerate through the exit. In drifting, it's pretty much impossible to accelerate while in a drift. More throttle just equals more tire spin. You can however many times maintain your speed in a situation where you would usually have to brake to keep from loosing traction, which is why drifting can be faster in some situations.

I'm sure this has been debated to death though

 

yeah, I'm sure it has, I don't stand on either side man, I'm neutral

 

Trail brake a bit, that'll get the weight balance upset and the back rotating, once you get it going, pin it in 2nd gear. Do all of this with the clutch out so you can go from the brakes to the gas, and your driveline will survive. The guy who dumps the clutch is just engine braking to flip the weight forward accomplishing the same thing but with a great deal of stress by dumping it and not matching revs.

Also, the toe eliminator bushings will help give the handling limit a more predictable linear feel, and aid in the back stepping out sooner. You wanna cheat; overinflate your rear tires.

 

and underinflate the front