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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 05:29 PM
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Who would win in a 1/4.

2000 Honda Civic Hatchback, no VTEC.
Crank pulley, AEM intake, Tanabe Racing Medallion exhaust, DC Sports short throw, AGX struts, Skunk2 coilovers, and probably some weight reduction.

my 88 SE RX7
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anyways, long story short. I got in it with someone on my local forum. So I decided to challenge him to so one of us will eat our words.

One event at autox
another is 1/4.

I should be getting a TII soon, so I'll probably smoke him no matter what he's got.

The autox, pretty much if i get my new tires in, ill win this event, drag might be different because he's into the drag thing and I've never dragged my car before. So i dont' know whats a good launch or maybe how well im shifting. but whatever it is, I WON'T LOSE!

is there any stock honda engines that really powerful? yea, i know the irony of honda and powerful. but its pretty much my pride at stake. So I'll have to do whatever it takes to win.
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 05:31 PM
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you'll win
all the civic has for power upgrades is intake and exhaust. Only good for approx 5hp. stock power on that motor is 106hp at the fly, so about 111hp at the fly after those mods. Then it weighs in at around 2500lbs. You should be able to win
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 05:33 PM
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yeah, do some weight reduction to sinch the win. non vtec (and even SOHC VTEC) civics are SLOWWWWWW!!
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 05:55 PM
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if he's a good driver he could easily beat you in the autocross despite the difference in performance levels.
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 05:56 PM
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what can i remove besides my passenger seat. I dont' want to spent too much time trying to disassembling/reassembling my car at the track.
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by PureSephiroth
if he's a good driver he could easily beat you in the autocross despite the difference in performance levels.
he might be good, but im not bad either when i have 2 good tires in front, not bald ones.
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 06:00 PM
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spare tire/ jack replace with 2 cans of fix-a-flat but other than that its all non quik stuff like carpet that tar junk sound deadener etc
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 06:23 PM
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u if you drive/launch properly..........
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by 87base RX-7
spare tire/ jack replace with 2 cans of fix-a-flat but other than that its all non quik stuff like carpet that tar junk sound deadener etc
Uh, fix a flat is bad stuff, unbalences your tire (so I've heard).

It's NOT the same as a spare! What happens when something happens to the sidewall? Or the rim?

The spare is ~20lbs I plan to keep.
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 07:12 PM
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When you say "no VTEC" do you mean it is the stock engine? He could have an LS engine in it (140hp) and not have VTEC, that could give him a decent bump in horsepower.

The non-VTEC single cams are pretty darn slow, even with the crap he has.
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 07:18 PM
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Well what have you run in the 1/4?

My stock 88 SE pulled a 17.

It's all dependant how how happy your motor is.

Remember that even though your stock HP levels are higher he has a MUCH newer(tends to == healthier) motor.

It's a hatch so it's failry light too.
He does only have intake and exhaust though. SO I doubt he got much out of it unless he did cams,hondatek thing,etc...

You have full exhaust and intake just like him but with that "MD Racing Fuel Computer" which I've never heard of and don't know what it does.
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 07:34 PM
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I don't usually partcipate in a thread like this...

But both the drag and autox will be up to the driver. Just because you have new tires dosen't mean you beat the Honda. If you don't know how to drive, you're in trouble.

As far as the 1/4 goes, it will still be up to the driver.

David
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 08:10 PM
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^^^^ agreed, auto-x is far more dependent on the driver tho.

there is NO point in trying to handicap an autox based on mods, and a drag can only be 1/2 assed assuming the both are fairly equal drivers (as in can actualy launch and shift fast)
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Digi7ech

It's a hatch so it's failry light too.
He does only have intake and exhaust though. SO I doubt he got much out of it unless he did cams,hondatek thing,etc...

Hondata? That would be a huge waste of money for that engine. Like I said, if his "no VTEC" engine is an LS (Integra DOHC), then he will likely beat you, especially if you are running 17's. Actually, a VTEC single cam could probably squeak out much better times than that. Its the non-VTEC SOHCs that usually run 17's.
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 08:31 PM
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as far as the honda is concerned
crank pulley=nothing

intake and exuast get you nowhere with no power

i know sooo many people with hondas that are extremely slow. they spend sooo much money on those things and cant break a 15 in 1/4. is it that goofy egg hatch or the si? si is fairly quick but not fast (thers a big difference) the egg hatch is slow, so if thats what it is then you should be good as long as you can drive...
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 08:32 PM
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oh wait, si is vtec.. so if it doesnt have vtec then its probably the egg then... sorry
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 08:41 PM
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2000 Civic hatchbacks were DX's (maybe CX's as well). Either way, no VTEC stock and both pretty slow.

92-95 had the Si hatchback with VTEC SOHC.
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 08:43 PM
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i dont like hondas, so i really hope you win!! i dont like anything thats not rear wheel drive and has no ***** stock
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by xhopesfall20
i dont like hondas, so i really hope you win!! i dont like anything thats not rear wheel drive and has no ***** stock
thats an arrogant comment considering there are fwd/awd cars out there that will basically just asswhoop
alot of cars on this board..... I for one do prefer rwd over anyother platform, but I know there are fwd cars out there that will hand my *** to me... for example an srt4 is a quick car for cheap, and even cheaper to increase performance.... also more and more honda's are pushing out 300+ hp...
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 09:03 PM
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by MARTIN
thats an arrogant comment considering there are fwd/awd cars out there that will basically just asswhoop
alot of cars on this board
Thats true, it won't take much to beat a car that runs 17's, RWD or not.


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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 09:09 PM
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 09:10 PM
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Whoa, guess I should be more patient. Sorry.

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