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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 10:44 AM
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OK so i get back from deployment and start driving my car again.... And al the sudden i lose all clutch pedal movement. I mean it just sticks to the floor. So I check the fluid fill it up because it was really low and then bleed the system. Works fine... Until today... then the same problem.
No obvious leaks any one had this problem before?
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 10:58 AM
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ur cluth is run on a vacume system ... same as your breaks .... there is a seal leak somewhere causing u to loose all pressure thus giving u air in the line ... thus rendering your clutch usless prolly need to replace or rebuild both master and slave cylinder for your clutch system
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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Any good places to order one... Im in Germany so i cant just go buy one at autozone...
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 11:33 AM
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Don't you mean hydraulic system?

AFgreasemonkey: Sounds like a faulty internal seal in the clutch master or slave that is allowing the fluid to flow around it as you press the pedal and thereby not pressurizing the fluid. Like RD says, rebuild both or better yet, buy new units, install and bleed.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 11:37 AM
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kinda what i figured its good for maybe 10 or so shifts after i bleed it...
So next question WHere the hell is the fluid going?
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 11:46 AM
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Also should i replace the master or slave or both?
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 12:12 PM
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You might as well just get both. At least then you'll know that the problem is fixed.

I picked mine up from Nopi online. It was a pretty good deal and brand new. The fluid is just going back and forth between the line and around the seal since the seal isn't stopping it.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 12:17 PM
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Just ordered a both from Mazda trix, thanks!
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by AFgreasemnky
kinda what i figured its good for maybe 10 or so shifts after i bleed it...
So next question WHere the hell is the fluid going?
Assuming this is your problem, of course, the fluid is staying in the master or slave. The seal which is akin to a piston is allowing the fluid to flow past it into the back of the cylinder as you depress the pedal. For an analogy, visualize it like a faulty compression ring on a piston (excuse the "P" word). As the piston compresses the air-fuel mixture, a faulty compression ring will allow some of the mixture to leak past the ring into the the crankcase where it stays.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary downshift
ur cluth is run on a vacume system ... same as your breaks ....
Really? And what have you been smoking. Please post a pic of this vacuum line that goes to clutch system.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 03:21 PM
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Thats because the clutch system is NOT vacuum assisted like the brakes..
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 04:01 PM
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See thats what got me because if i use my foot to bring the pedal back up then push it down it works. Then sticks to the floor again. As long as i rev match the engine i can sift without the clutch its just a bitch to do everytime i stop.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 04:07 PM
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When my master cylinder went i couldn't see the leak untill i removed it and looked at the firewall underneath.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AFgreasemnky
See thats what got me because if i use my foot to bring the pedal back up then push it down it works.
That's probably because as you pull the pedal back up, the fluid is forced past the faulty seal into the front of the cylinder and it gradually makes it's way past the seal to rear of the cylinder--a little bit with each pedal press until most of it is at the rear of the cylinder.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 04:16 PM
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Good info to know! Thanks!
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 01:43 PM
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Ok, so i took the car for a drive today to order parts... And it only sticks to the floor if i push it all the way down... Still the same problem?
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