incubuseva

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Hey all, I've been working on my 91 Tii brave blue vert build for my wedding. I'm a bit paranoid about getting too hot, boost too much etc + would like some gauges to show this, but I want a stock looking clean interior. I saw that Innovate has OT-2 which is an OBDii wifi controller. You download the app, then you can monitor things on your iphone/ipod. Hook up the wideband to it then you get your AFR right on your phone. I really like this because it's clean, I always have my iphone on me, and there's nothing taking away from the stock interior.

The only other thing that I can think of is to put my prosport gauges (from my other 7) in the glove box. Set the warning buzzers and then they will give off that stupid loud buzz if something goes in a bad direction.


Are there any other options that I can use? Any ideas?

Rob XX 7

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You dont have an obdii vehicle how would you use the iphone?
Think you are stuck with the warning buzzers unless you have an ECU that has an app, i know wolf has such a thing.

incubuseva

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Why would I need OBDII? I don't. Why can't they just make a box that you plug sensors into. The box creates a wifi signal and then I can get that signal onto my phone and display the info. Is there such thing?

jjwalker

The answer to your first question is in your original post.

" I saw that Innovate has OT-2 which is an OBDii wifi controller."

Rob XX 7

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well as walker already said:


second- Im not aware of any black box/bluetooth phone set up like you described for older vehicles

. All these bluetooth phone enabled devices operate based on OBDII connection, all its doing is displaying the information that is already monitored by the on board diagnostics(OBD)

I know wolf has such a device, dont know if rtex haltech, adaptronic, etc have any apps yet

Claytons91

it seems like they should make something l like that, it would cool to use it for data logging.

Rob XX 7

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i tend to agree for datalogging but to view it in PLACE of gauges- I dont think it would be that practical
if someone were to graft a ipad mini or kindle or something maybe but not a tiny iphone screen

incubuseva

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It's basically the same though. What it comes down to is that I don't want to permanently instal a gauge in the car. I want the stock look but also want to know the vitals of it. I don't think I would even mind a tiny USB cable coming from under the dash to plug into the phone. Only downside is that I couldn't plug it into my stereo.

And I'm not looking for a display of the stock sensors. Those are so old that they 1. Don't work very well anymore and 2. There's better technology to monitor them.

Rob XX 7

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incuba- no one makes a device for older vehicles, all the stuff you see is for newer OBDII, it has nothing to do with bluetooth or wired connections it has to do with the car communicating with the device. Our **** is too old. I think AEM had a standalone wideband that you could view on your phone but im not sure if they have any other gauges

Landon303

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I actually also despise the look of a modified interior (I run stock radio, even)

I have only a boost & wideband, but they're booth mounted in the glove box. pics upon request, didn't have any on the internet at the moment, sadly

Turblown

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Adaptronic has the Android version by Shell Shrader;

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ve.tuner&hl=en

JustJeff

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I like a clean interior also, but I would never want to rely on a gauge stuffed in a glove box and hope that I hear the warning buzzer over road noise and a radio.

I like seeing the numbers and accept the gauges being visible as a necessary part of having a modified car. I would be a very insecure driver if I couldn't see my temps and was constantly listening for a buzzer. "Wait, was that it..is that a buzzer? am I overheating...oh ****, I better pull over and open my glovebox to check."

Rob XX 7

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people tend to bash them but I find the factory gauges mirror the readouts from my aftermarket gauges and the sensors for my ECU.

For the what I consider the 2 most important- temp and oil pressure they are just as accurate. All that other **** you dont need to be looking at while you are driving along and you definitely shouldn't be looking at them at full boost. I check my wideband when I refuel and once in a while cruising along on the highway to see if things are normal but even that gauge is not an important one to be looking at from one minute to the next

JustJeff

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My circumstances are a little different in that I've been fighting electrical problems which also involves my efan and cooling. In addition I don't think my oil cooler is seeing the oil flow it should, my oil temps are pretty high. Until I get things sorted out I don't drive that car much and when I do I'm habitually looking at water and oil temps. I'm also in engine break period and trying to keep the engine out of boost so I look at the boost gauge more often than usual.

I agree on the accuracy of the oil pressure. I had an aftermarket pressure gauge which I did away with to make room for my wideband. The aftermarket seemed redundant in that my OEM gauge is perfectly accurate. But the water temp I want to see numbers, not the OEM setup...but then again I've overheated an engine so I'm a little biased and paranoid.

Rob XX 7

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My aftermarket temp gauge stuck twice it was weird its like it got stuck at 195 so it would go up to 210-220 and come back down to 195. I thought i was running hot but i could feel the fan cycling and the factory gauge was normal so i knew things were normal.
Not having that confidence in the car while you drive it sucks jeff.
For engine break in i would not boost at all until tuned, even if its stock i would not boost better off to eliminate the chance of getting into boost smaller turbos boost too easy

JustJeff

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I agree completely on how not having confidence sucks. Needing to check the numbers all the time is stressful and completely takes the fun out of my turbovert. For the last few months I've been giving consideration to ditching my Taurus fan and going back to clutch fan. Kinda bring the car back to basics, make sure the electrical is sound without the strain of that hog of a fan.

The boost thing is difficult with the OEM turbo and wastegate, which is why I'm always checking boost gauge when leaving lights and stop signs.

The oil temp is getting checked with my next oil change (maybe this weekend?). Gonna pull the thermostat in my oil cooler and make sure it's opening and go from there.

anyway....enough about me, back to the topic at hand

Rob XX 7

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The taurus fan is not your problem

incubuseva

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It's a relatively stock TII motor, aside from air to water intercooler. Everything is basically new inside as well; refurb housings, all new seals + bearings. I also have the NA cluster, so no boost gauge at all. I think I may take out the stock volt gauge and throw my prosport boost gauge in there. At least that way I won't have a gauge or two mounted somewhere in the car. Because I know that once I start to modify part of it, all hell will break loose + it'll end up like my coupe. Stripped to nothing + blown up. This will be a fun, sunny day driver + more importantly the getaway car in my wedding.

AEM makes a UEGO + dual EGT wifi thing. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/avm-30-2320. I wonder if I can use the EGT probes to measure oil + coolant temp since it says works from 0-1800*F?

clokker

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Short of a heads up display, the gauge cluster is the choicest real estate for information display.
Unfortunately, I think you'll find that replacing just one of the stock clusters sub-gauges is not as simple as it might appear.
In fact, it's a royal PITA.

You could take your prosport, and using velcro patches, stick it either to the steering column surround or the outer lip of the gauge cluster.
I did this and found the position to be good but the different focal distances a little weird.

It's not a bad option for you to try though; it's non invasive (no cutting), easily reversible and gives you a starting point at least.

Although I have no technical knowledge to back me up, I'd bet that the EGT probes would not work at all as temp sensors.
Even if you found a gauge with a compatible electrical system, the range of the sensor is well beyond what you need to see. With a top end of 1800°, the 160-220° range you're interested in would barely blip the needle, certainly not enough resolution to be useful to you.

You don't need a gauge to tell you the oil temp is 1800°, your fiery death will alert you.

driftxsequence

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Megasquirt ECU with a bluetooth adapter. I have it connected to my phone / tablet when in the car to monitor all parameters that the computer sees... (afr, coolant temp, boost etc etc etc)

j9fd3s

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they do, however since the sensor range is 0-1800F the resolution between 100f and 200f isn't as good as a normal temp sender.

it can be done, but engineers use normal temp senders for oil and water temps

incubuseva

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So aside from OBDII or a standalone I'm pretty much SOL. Or $400 for the AEM unit.


Adaptronic, you guys should work on an iphone app. I know there's a lot of anti iphone people out there, but if you have apps for the entire market, people (like me) will love you long time.

sirx7

might i suggest you try out Zada Tech

this is what i used in my car.
Zada Tech - Orange Negative 16x2 LCD
I used orange to mimic stock look
add whatever sensors you need. and you can always add more later just have to send back the controller for an update

Mourty

That's sexy.

incubuseva

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They have a program that's basically what I'm looking for but it's for android and for what I want it would be around $900 USD. Which is a bit more than I would like to spend. But if it came down to it I probably would. Maybe I'll buy a cheap android tabled to use for it.... Hmm....

Zada Tech - Android Based Gauges

Do you have pics of your setup?