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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 01:24 AM
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Total overhaul on the fuel system, need some suggestions

Here are my terms
1) intank fuel pump
2) all black everything
2) keep the metal fuel lines from the tank

I'm only going to run between 300-350rwhp and this will be total overkill, but as long as it isnt detrimental then i figure why not. I don't mind spending the scrilla

Going for all new injectors, 720/1680cc

As for the pump I'm looking at the walbro 255, or the Bosch 044 which is total overkill but I'm strangely attracted to it.

I was thinking of sticking w/ rubber hose, but had a brainfart and thought to use SS line but w/ some self fusing silicone tape (banzaiwrap). The tapes supposed to be good for 500 degrees.

Then I even found some black nylon fuel hose
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...tegoryId=10019
It's supposed to be quite lighter though, but only would be like 5lbs. I'm only beeing super **** about weight w/ my brakes and wheels. But I'll take weightloss even if it is by not gaining weight.

I found a couple black RRFPR's, but they seem to be single inlet only.

I was planning on running the rails in parrallel, and seemed like most people ran dual inlet pressure regulators for this configuration. I'm Y'ing a single line from the tank to both rails.
Ted uses -6 line and fittings for the single feed, then splits to -6, and combines back to a single -6. so no bigger or smaller lines.

Holley -8 single inlet and -8 single outlet 15-65psi
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...tegoryId=10323

Trick flow -6 single inlet and -6 single outlet 30-70psi
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku



As for fittings, earls and jegs make black hard anodized fittings. aeromotive makes a couple but not as many.
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...tegoryId=10019

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...tegoryId=10019

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...tegoryId=10019




Hose clamps
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...tegoryId=10019



So hmmm, what do I want from you guys.....

What max psi should I look for? Are FC base pressure 35 and FD 45? It's a high comp turbo motor, but I'm running water injection too, so maybe a max of 15psi if the waterinjection and HKS stock mount play nicely.
And is this pressure range on the rrfpr's the total, or does the boost increase this on top of that rating? Thats how it reads for the holley. If so then either is plenty

uhm, i lost interest in my thread cause it took so long to type up, it looks pretty copmlete to me


oh yeah, what about pulsation dampeners?


any input/suggestions are appreciated
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 07:53 AM
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Base fuel pressure is dependent on set-up.
Stock fuel is 40psi at "0" manifold, so with the FPR vacuum fitting not connected to anything, it should spec to 40psi.
I dunno what the FD's run.

You really should be running a stand-alone EMS for those power goals.
If so, the fuel pressure doesn't really matter.
40psi @ "0" is a good start, but you can run it higher.
Higher fuel pressure induces better fuel atomization.
Just keep in mind what your max boost, cause the 1:1 ratio is going to be important.
Keep the max FPR pressure under 70psi (try to shoot for 60psi), and you should be good.
Most fuel pumps don't flow well above 60psi.
So, if you shooting for 15psi of boost, you can run 45psi @ 0 on the FPR... 45 + 15 = 60.

The SX FPR doesn't need no stinkin' PD.
I wouldn't think the Aeromotive one doesn't either, cause it's very similar in design to the SX Engineering unit.
It's up to you.


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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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I used a mallory FPR, around $68 or so. Its a 3 outlet return style. One line in, regulated flow to up to 3 rails. The rails no longer flow through but dead end now, excess pressure is bled off by the reg, back to the tank. Had to buy a gauge, but the reg is black, and works well. On my TII, i have walboro and at idle see 38-40 psi, don't know under boost, its hard to hold the hood open at speed! good luck.
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 04:06 PM
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3 outlet return style? now thats another thing that confused me
I thought that the fuel pressure regulator always went on the return side AFTER the rail, and not before.
Are there two different kinds of regulators or am I ***-backwards yet again?

Oh ok, so the rails are capped at one side? hmmm. So there are two diff types...i take it

And yes, I am going to run a wolf 3d v500 for EMS.
I was wanting to datalog the fuel pressure rather than run a gauge since the wolf has a ton of inputs. Thought that would be some good datalogging information
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