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Old Feb 13, 2012 | 06:11 PM
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CO TII with no sunroof?

According to the Faqs, all TIIs had power sunroofs standard in the US. Was there a way to get a TII without the sunroof? Maybe an options package not listed in the faqs or something.

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Old Feb 13, 2012 | 06:18 PM
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why?
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Old Feb 13, 2012 | 06:20 PM
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Because I'm curious.

Because I hate sunroofs.

Because I can remove my sunroof and get some more headroom but only if I prove to my sanctioning organization that such a configuration existed when the car was new.
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Old Feb 13, 2012 | 06:53 PM
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ya, its called an s4 sport, infini, or gtus, then swap in a turbo setup.......

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Old Feb 13, 2012 | 06:56 PM
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Sadly, swaps don't meet my criteria.
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Old Feb 13, 2012 | 07:20 PM
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sooo your "orginization" will let you remove the sunroof, if you can prove it didnt come with the car??? oooook
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Old Feb 13, 2012 | 07:26 PM
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Probably easier to explain if we take the GTU as an example. The GTU had the sunroof as an option. So, if I had a particular GTU with the sunroof, I could remove it and convert the roof to a solid configuration (weld some sheet metal roughly the same thickness as the roof to close the hole) because the GTU was also available without a sunroof.
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Old Feb 13, 2012 | 07:30 PM
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I get it. Sadly no one has answered your question. (The answer would be... "No")
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Old Feb 13, 2012 | 09:04 PM
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Obviously, most of the regulars in this subforum do not race, lol. Try posting in our racing subforum, specify your mysterious "organization", and see if any other racers in this organization know if there is a way around the rules.
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=103
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by dwb87
I get it. Sadly no one has answered your question. (The answer would be... "No")
Kinda figured that would be the answer but I thought I'd ask just in case I got lucky and someone had some obscure knowledge about it.

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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 05:39 AM
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You could modify the sunroof with a small hump ford gt40 style and make brackets to bolt it solid.

There is also a carbon fiber sunroof you could try your luck with. I haven't heard of anyone actually with it, but it's priced decent and would eliminate the rotting oem unit. http://www.c7carbon.com/mazda-86-91-...rbon-fiber-180

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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tuscanidream
You could modify the sunroof with a small hump ford gt40 style and make brackets to bolt it solid.

There is also a carbon fiber sunroof you could try your luck with. I haven't heard of anyone actually with it, but it's priced decent and would eliminate the rotting oem unit. http://www.c7carbon.com/mazda-86-91-...rbon-fiber-180
Nope. The rules are pretty strict. Either I leave it completely stock, or remove it if and only if a non-sunroof variant of the TII was available, which apparently did not exist. So, I'm fairly stuck.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 11:58 AM
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Proof for 86-88 models - no turbo w/o sunroof:

http://foxed.ca/rx7manual/oldindex.html

Go down to parts manuals (fiche), click on '86-88...PDF will open...go to pages 10-11. Model breakdown.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pfsantos
Proof for 86-88 models - no turbo w/o sunroof:

http://foxed.ca/rx7manual/oldindex.html

Go down to parts manuals (fiche), click on '86-88...PDF will open...go to pages 10-11. Model breakdown.
He was asking for Turbo Without sunroof, we've already established there were non-turbo models without them.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 12:14 PM
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I know that. I was providing actual proof, from Mazda literature, so he can have confirmation.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 12:20 PM
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Thats not exactly gonna work. You've proven that non-turbo models existed without sunroofs, but you have not proven that turbo models existed without sunroofs (from Mazda, clearly they exist all over the forums. Those don't count).

I have my answer, which is basically the sunroof must stay in stock configuration according to the rules I am bound by. I'd close this thread since I think its going to devolve very quickly, but I don't seem to have that option.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 12:20 PM
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other markets had the turbo without sunroof, just not the US.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
other markets had the turbo without sunroof, just not the US.
Hmm. Might be a possible avenue for me. Not likely, but I need to check the rules to be certain. What markets?
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Brigdh
Hmm. Might be a possible avenue for me. Not likely, but I need to check the rules to be certain. What markets?
japan for sure. you would hope sunroof was an option in canada...
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 01:24 PM
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I'm thinking that doesn't help. The relevant rules:

Cars running in Street Prepared Category must have been series produced
with normal road touring equipment, capable of being licensed
for normal road use in the United States, and normally sold and delivered
through the manufacturer’s retail sales outlets in the United
States.

Sunroof-equipped cars may be converted to a solid-roof configuration
provided a model without a sunroof is listed on the same line in
Appendix A.


Appendix A:
Mazda:
RX-7 Turbo (1986-92)


The "and normally sold and delivered through the manufacturer’s retail sales outlets in the United States." is probably what kills the non-US market theory. I'm not aware that you could import a Canadian (or Japanese) RX-7 through the US Mazda dealership.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 02:10 PM
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How about a Puerto Rican Mazda dealership? Could they be purchased without the sunroof option there? Should be "in the US" enough to qualify. Sorry if it sounds silly, but I think we've exhausted all normal avenues for qualifying the mod. Now we are looking for technicalities.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 02:18 PM
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remember SCCA = Secret Concourse Car Association. this is the group that mandates the correct interior A pillar trim be on a race car.

so you must have a sunroof in a T2, as this is how it was offered in the US, and unlike a normal concours, you don't get deducted points, you just don't race.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 02:20 PM
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Heh, technicalities run this sport
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
remember SCCA = Secret Concourse Car Association.
Thats a new one. Thanks
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 03:56 PM
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so, your answer is no, a sunroofless t2 was never an option in the usdm rx7. the gtus is the closest thing you have, then the s4 sport, neither of them had a sunroof, but both are n/a

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