Well I bought toyo proxes 4's becuase they were all seasons. Well I should have thought that "ultra high performance" and "all season" in the same title was kinda redundant. Awesome dry traction. Way good rain traction. Really shitty snow traction.

 

Your FC has been sitting in the garage the last couple of winters, that's why you haven't driven it in the snow.... right?

 

my car is extremly tail happy but its mostly the fact that i have near bald rear tires and am too lazy to go buy some snow tires. Anyways just work on throttle control you'll be just fine. Braking for me is just downshifting as brakes are pretty much useless on ice.

 

I was just watching this little drift video I had laying around and it brought up a question. How does the rear tracking suspension work with slipage? Has it fucked you pros up in the past?

I've driven two other RWD vehicles in the winter with no problems, but am wondering if the DTSS screws with your road feel and perception of what your rear is doing. Driving so far, I've been able to accuratly huage how much force I can put on the car around a corner on dry pavement, but I'm hoping it doesn't screw with my perception too much.

 

well im not planning on taking my car out in the snow considering i have z rated tires and i took it in the rain and a civic pulled up reving engine so i took of first normal and went into 2nd at about 7000 and the car started fish tailing so snow is not an option for me and yet to that i dont have LSD...my car is hibernating this year

 

quatro 4/aws? Cars were a marvel for their time. Then gm came and and said "we just had this really cool idea" 10 years later a little behind on the ball, none the less, at least they marketed it better.

 

It depends on how much snow you get and how quick the snow plows are. In anything over 3" standing on the road my cars are absolutely useless regaurdless of what tires I have on. Just trying to make it up my street (which is pretty much a 5 degree incline) is a challenge in my FC's. I used to carry a 348 big block in the back to help weigh it down, and even then it sucked pretty bad.

 

I've been driving a GXL everyday for almost 5 years now. I live in Missouri so I see every kind of weather.

In my opinion, it's not the best car for snow. But once I learned how to control it and know how it responds, I don't want to drive anything else.
The other day it snowed and I had to drive to work on the interstate, with no sign of plow/salt trucks. On an uphill the front tires caught into someone elses rut where they changed lanes. The rear wanted to keep going straight. So I started sliding, then let off the gas a little and snapped back straight. Almost as if I had intended to change lanes myself.

 

Its just quattro, not all wheel steering. (which imo is completely worthless on any car be it, 240, prelude or whathave you)

 

Well, technically true, but...

For the first two years I owned the car, I drove it in the snow. First year, without snow tires at all. Never had a single problem. 2nd year, I got a set of Blizzacks, and it totally improved an already capable winter car.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with driving a 2nd gen in the winter, if you don't mind rusting the car out in 10 years. If you have problems controlling the car, you are either driving too fast for the conditions, or don't know how to drive. Until I got my Insight, I had never driven a non-rotary non-RWD vehicle in the winter.

 

That should be a treat in the winter with that 60/40 weight distribution and the 165 tires. Talk about tail happy. I had some 78/79 Fiesta's, 1 of which I purchased new, but many others used and switched engines/trans etc. They were great cars with great pick up for a 1800 lbs, jerky ride with short wheelbase, 40 mpg, and with snow tires on the front it was like a little tank. The only problem was you never knew when that light rear would come around..Sometimes on light braking, sometimes on a turn. It was always exciting driving the car. It was so bad that my wife wouldn't drive it in the snow.
Now the 7 sits in the garage and we have 2 Jeep Grand Cherokees.

 

I have an 88 convertible (one of the heavier FCs), and I drove it last winter with not a whole lot of luck. Due to its low profile and the fact that its rwd means you probally won't go anywhere fast. But, don't take it from me b/c I had bald tires at the time. But this year, im putting mine away for the winter and sticking to a borrowed winter truck

 

Insight is great. No problems swapping ends, and the thin tires cut right through the snow and slush. Only problem is that I get crappy mileage (about 50-60 MPG in the city). I've got the car stuck a few times, but then, who hasn't stuck a car?

 

*points and snickers* Crappy mileage meaning 50-60mpg... On this forum...

Sorry. I'm done now.

-=Russ=-

 

i wish i could get 20 mpg much less 50 lol

 

sandbags in the hatch work, im gonna roll with a 150 lb lead block this winter if it gets bad that should push me down a bit

 

I tried the sandbags in the hatch on my GXL the first winter I owned it. It kept the tail down somewhat better but I had problems with understeer instead, and I thought that was much scarier than having the tail a little loose. I finally got snow tires and an LSD this year, and it makes an incredible difference, even when launching my streetport turbo.

 

Yea, that's terrible mileage considering that's just city driving. You can really rub it in when you start getting that 66/67 mpg! The V-8 Jeep gets about 15, and the 4.0 around 18. I'll trade you gas bills for the month.

 

Yeah but when he gets the bill for 2k for the batteries when they crap out we can get the final laugh. BWAHAHAH

 

Yeah my car on Yokohama Parada Spec II's sucks major lol worst tires for snow ever

 

Batteries are warrented for 10 years/100,000 miles. I expect them to last the lifetime of the vehicle, as I have just over 100K on the odometer and have noticed no degredation in the batteries. Besides, I've already saved over $5K worth of gas (in two years!), so a $3K battery replacement in 5-10 years is not a big deal...

 

I ran all season Kumho's on the stock wheels on my RX7 last winter...

Between low torque, and a 5 speed, it's actually quite nice in the snow. This is assuming of course, that you know how to drive... My FWD Grand Prix is actually MUCH worse in the winter (~475 lbs/ft of torque/~400 HP and an automatic = no traction, thank god for traction control systems. )