Stock Turbo Brakes...good for 4-500HP with slotted disc's and Hawk pads???
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Stock Turbo Brakes...good for 4-500HP with slotted disc's and Hawk pads???
Now that the turbo and fuel system is all upgraded, I think it's time to look at the braking system!
I've searched and searched the forum for trying to find some actual figures for how much power the stock system will support, but so far I haven't found anything!
From what I can gather they are good for up to about 300hp, but what happens up around 4-500hp?
I know it's not just in the brakes but in the tires as well and as I'm more than happy with the tires, this is why I'm starting to look at the brakes.
Will standard disc's slotted and some good Hawk pads do the trick or should I look at getting bigger disc's and calipers?
I know there are a few options such as the EVO kit or a combo kit of maybe BXW and toyota but then the issue of brake biasing comes into play which I wanted to avoid! But then this could be done using a variable brake bias if it came down to it.
I'm running 18" wheels so space isn't a problem but I would like something that pulss me up reasonably quickly!
Be good to know what you guys have done with the same sort of HP figures...
I've searched and searched the forum for trying to find some actual figures for how much power the stock system will support, but so far I haven't found anything!
From what I can gather they are good for up to about 300hp, but what happens up around 4-500hp?
I know it's not just in the brakes but in the tires as well and as I'm more than happy with the tires, this is why I'm starting to look at the brakes.
Will standard disc's slotted and some good Hawk pads do the trick or should I look at getting bigger disc's and calipers?
I know there are a few options such as the EVO kit or a combo kit of maybe BXW and toyota but then the issue of brake biasing comes into play which I wanted to avoid! But then this could be done using a variable brake bias if it came down to it.
I'm running 18" wheels so space isn't a problem but I would like something that pulss me up reasonably quickly!
Be good to know what you guys have done with the same sort of HP figures...
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arghx - what ceramic pads have you used in the past, any manufacturers you'd recommend?
I've been looking into "Performance Friction' and 'Hawk' Pads so far, any other better options?
Will be doing this at the same time as some of the suspension, have got new struts and springs in the car at the moment but will be upgrading the sway bars, this was going to be the next topic. Was planning to use the RB sway bars and links and was also thinking of getting the slotted discs from RB too.
I've been looking into "Performance Friction' and 'Hawk' Pads so far, any other better options?
Will be doing this at the same time as some of the suspension, have got new struts and springs in the car at the moment but will be upgrading the sway bars, this was going to be the next topic. Was planning to use the RB sway bars and links and was also thinking of getting the slotted discs from RB too.
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If you are doing a track event, you just swap in some track pads. For the street, you "can't" use anything too extreme, they'll just make noise (and you'll draw attention). My basic hawk HP+ pads screamed in agony at every stop sign. And for street driving, they really don't make a difference. For the record I would swap them in the day before my track event, and take them out the day after.
When you're on the street, just don't unleash the car. You won't need to worry about the brakes doing normal driving, so you can use normal pads. It's that easy.
When you're on the street, just don't unleash the car. You won't need to worry about the brakes doing normal driving, so you can use normal pads. It's that easy.
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If you keep your foot off the pedal on the right then upgraded brakes don't necessarily enter the equation.
Now if you USE the HP and get up to Excess speed that is where you need good brakes.
Now if you USE the HP and get up to Excess speed that is where you need good brakes.
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So far the slotted disc's and upgraded pads are looking good, I'm still interested in hearing of some 'upgrade' suggestions....
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I got slotted rotors with EBC Green pads.
good combo I find for all around driving and some Spirited roads.
My buddy will attest that the dash board tastes like Mints..(showed him the stopping power and he wasn't Ready!)
good combo I find for all around driving and some Spirited roads.
My buddy will attest that the dash board tastes like Mints..(showed him the stopping power and he wasn't Ready!)
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I was just reading into the green EBC pads, I think it will be between them and Hawk HPS, have heard good things about both.
For the tyres I'll be running Potenza's all round, 235 50 18 on the rear and 205 50 18 on the front. Will try and squeeze bigger on the rear but not sure if it'll fit....
For the tyres I'll be running Potenza's all round, 235 50 18 on the rear and 205 50 18 on the front. Will try and squeeze bigger on the rear but not sure if it'll fit....
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Cyro rotors discs anyone?
What I've come up with in the disc side of things are the power slot cryogenically treaded rotors, I've seen some others out there, frozen rotors etc that are very similar.
Has anyone had experience with these?
They claim they have extended life and they are only about $30 more per disc than standard slotted disc's.
Has anyone had experience with these?
They claim they have extended life and they are only about $30 more per disc than standard slotted disc's.
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Stainless steel brake lines. One of the better bangs for the buck in Mazdatrix, if you're looking to do more than a pad-and-rotor upgrade. Do you already have the 4 caliper fronts?
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these are the best things since sliced bread, its amazing.
IMO on the street where you need to really only stop once, you don't need much, on the track where you need to stop more than once, the stock brakes are going to start being small...
IMO on the street where you need to really only stop once, you don't need much, on the track where you need to stop more than once, the stock brakes are going to start being small...
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I'm also going to chime in since I need brake advice as well. Mines only an N/A street car that may see one or two track days this summer. I'm replacing all 4 rotors and pads all around and getting stainless lines, but should I just buy rotors and pads from local parts store for about 1/4 of the price of brand name stuff or should I spend the extra on brand name rotors and pads?
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I'm also going to chime in since I need brake advice as well. Mines only an N/A street car that may see one or two track days this summer. I'm replacing all 4 rotors and pads all around and getting stainless lines, but should I just buy rotors and pads from local parts store for about 1/4 of the price of brand name stuff or should I spend the extra on brand name rotors and pads?
get nicer brake pads...
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F**K THE SYSTEM!!
I was just reading into the green EBC pads, I think it will be between them and Hawk HPS, have heard good things about both.
For the tyres I'll be running Potenza's all round, 235 50 18 on the rear and 205 50 18 on the front. Will try and squeeze bigger on the rear but not sure if it'll fit....
For the tyres I'll be running Potenza's all round, 235 50 18 on the rear and 205 50 18 on the front. Will try and squeeze bigger on the rear but not sure if it'll fit....
I dont.think you have enough tire for.serious braking power. If you can lock your oem brakes with those tires, you dont need more brakes. Just better pads for repeated braking. You should just get cheap.blanks. and good pads. Or just pads.
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How much bigger tires would you recommend, the front for me is the problem, they're a 3 piece wheel and I've already had to replace the inner rim of the front wheels with narrower ones, the tires were rubbing on the strut tower. I may be able to squeeze 215's up front, would really like 225 but that's not going to happen.
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F**K THE SYSTEM!!
How much bigger tires would you recommend, the front for me is the problem, they're a 3 piece wheel and I've already had to replace the inner rim of the front wheels with narrower ones, the tires were rubbing on the strut tower. I may be able to squeeze 215's up front, would really like 225 but that's not going to happen.
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I only had to upgrade my brakes when I was running 255/40/17 DOT-R's
With 205's in the front you should be fine with stock calipers and blank rotors running Hawk HP+
It would also be beneficial to swap out the stock brake lines with Stainless to improve pedal feel and flush out your fluid and replace with ATE Super Blue.
Time to go wide in order to best use that 400-500 hp.
With 205's in the front you should be fine with stock calipers and blank rotors running Hawk HP+
It would also be beneficial to swap out the stock brake lines with Stainless to improve pedal feel and flush out your fluid and replace with ATE Super Blue.
Time to go wide in order to best use that 400-500 hp.