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Since the above mentioned manifolds have been known to crack and warp

why not reinforce before putting them in? Anyone ever done this? How did it work?

Thicker flanges and bigger beads!


Evan

Why not just make your own then? :)

there are a few threads about this already.

only a few people hae had problems..... there are a good number of people running the manifolds without problem.

Its 100 bucks... if it lasts for 6 months and breaks that sucks... you got a bad one. buy another... you could buy 3 or 4 and still be cheaper. i got the fd one for my fc and will be posting he progress of my setup.

do it if you want... but please search on this topic... its been covered.

i got the fc one has lasted fine so far 6 months @16psi

I've personally had to replace 6 of their manifolds, and i've replaced numerous turbo's of theres.

Why not just get the right one the first time?

Time = money and time spent redoing your shit over and over is time porly spent.

Amen to that.

can you post some photos of these damaged manifolds im not doubting you it just seems so many people claim they fail all the time but no one has any photos to show i think one or two people have had a bad experience and everyone thinks they must be crap,im not trying to say they are excellent i just think they are a cost effective alternative that work.i bet all big name brands when first starting out had failures but you dont hear everyone bitching about those.look at mazdas early rotary engines they failed constantly and at ridiculously low ks i guess that must mean we all have to sell them cause they are shit. all im trying to say is alot of people make claims without any real world experience.and if you can show photos ill be the first to admit that i was wrong but everyone here pays no attention to those that have used them and work fine

I'll see what I can do. The turbo's were most interesting failures, the one I saw lose it's compressor wheel was pretty damn impressive!

manifolds... show me a pic of a broken ssauto manifold on a rx7

I'll see what I can do, I've got 4 of them sitting in my garage back home. They're all the older style however.

i do agree 100% the older style ones were total poo.

ill keep updats on how mine takes the abuse.

Why don't you talk to a certified welder?
They can give you the answer.


-Ted

how are you getting on with those pictures?

They're 1600 miles away, I'm workin on it!

The manifold I have, has no cracks, warps, or any failure. Im tired of seeing people post shit about them , yet they are just spreading rumors... If you search on this forum, there are many members running these manifolds, and none have any problems with them... This is excluding the fd manifold, which I have seen the build quality and it completely sucks, compared to the fc one.

i have the new FD one... just as beast as the fc one. super think flanges and all.....

well I'm certified and here's the problem.. the 'stainless' isn't it's an alloy of stainless, one with a very high carbon content ( eg: poor foundry control or just plain old lack of QC in china ) High carbon means that it is a very very brittile part. so ANY loads be it compressive/shear/or tension will fatigue these parts to the point were they crack.. add to that the fact that they are welded wrong over 90% of the joints. and that allot of them seem to have mild steel flanges welded to stainless with no system of easing or relief for expansion..

You'll begin to understand why they break so often.. if you do plan to use these parts or modify them in ANY way then get them properly heat cycled after ANY work or even befor eyou install it. of course the cost of having the part proplerly heat cycled is worth as much as getting a header custom made with certified stainless or mild steel..

I've made it a point not to allow ANY SSAC/megan/OBX fabricated or turbo into my shop now.. it's a risk I'm not willing to have my shop accept now.

What risk guy?? As long as you explain to them what could be the consequences of them using that part, you are not liable.

The flanges are not mild steel. And yes, maybe the material used isnt a high quality metal, but it hasnt cracked in over 1 almost 2 years, and it has endured alot of stress. Plus I paid 100 for it.

I work with 3 of them so i'll ask them when i get back to work.

They're complete shit, hold one in your hand and you can tell. Why waste your money of a peice of shit? Spend some money and stop being so cheap.

edit to my last post... I just read dori dori's comment.. And not going to bother with them.... they are shit... thats that.

If all of your customers buy poor products, and a lot of them break, whether you have to pay for it or not, the hit to your rep (deserving or not) will have an effect.

exactly.. your work is only going to be good as the materials you start with.. regardless of the fact that you may or may not have done anything to modify it or just bolted the part on.. if it breaks and it was installed by you.. they your rep takes the hit.. most customers don't care about WHO's falut it is.. ( becuse it won't ever be thier own ), they throw out balme like it rice at a wedding.

So the only way to combat that is to make sure that anything and everything that comes into the shop is either certified materials or built by your own two hands.

I understand what you are saying, but I never said to sell the product. He is talking about customers comming to his shop with the product in hand. It has nothing to do with your rep.

Anyways, we can sit here and through shit back and forth. But the truth is that if people want to buy those products, then its up to them. Ultimately it's their car, and money. I have switched a few of my parts to SSautochrome and personally, I actually preferr it. Not because of how they work, but because of the price. I had one of our welders fab me up a manifold. In the end he charged me 675 for a tubular divided manifold. I ended up selling that manifold and turbo and was able to buy an ss manifold and wastegate for 500 less than what the tubular manifold originaly cost me. And if it cracks or anything(which hasnt cracked in almost 2 years) I can just send it back and get a new one..

i am thinking of getting one and possibly a fmic if it does better use than the stock mani and over top intercooler why not

Whats funny is, that it ISN'T better then stock. Waste your money on a pile of shit, at least once its done you can sell it to a farmer.

Save up a buy something that actually will work (HKS, Greddy, Spearco, and various others for example).

has anyone done any horsepower comparison here with the stock set up vs the "pieces of shit" i want to know

JAGER and let me guess you spent all this time and money to research and test wether an intercooler you "dont own" is better than a factory one who kindly supplied their" peice of shit manifold" for you do do this and what tests did you do to prove this it sounds like crap to me it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure your offering an opion on something you have not used or seen its bull shit coments like this that stop people tring products how is any company going to make money to further develop their products if no one will buy them cause they listen to crap like this

Nobody listens to documented proof either, it's a no-win situation! :(

agreed but people that dont have anything factual or truthfull to say shouldnt offer there opinions

we should grab 2 cars from members here and do the comparison stock vs ssautochrome manifold and fmic then we will see if they are better than stock,just because it aint name brand dont mean its pos, theres car parts out there that cause 1000 bucks but if theres one that is 100 and works way better , shit i got 900 bucks lets get drunk and buy some whores for everybody J/K lol

i agree im not trying to say they are the best or not nescasarily even good i just want people to make descisions based on facts not someones idea or someone that heard their crap from a mates brothers friend and then decide to post saying yeah i used one or i tested one and its crap hey if its true post the proof we have nothing to lose by knowing the facts but everything to loose by listining to someone who isnt truthfull or is just offering their opion that its crap cause someone else who probably hasnt used one says they are crap everyone needs to get a mind of their own instead of listing to what others without facts say

well there are a good number of people on here running them without problem. Alot of them dont jump up and post it in thier mod list because of all the BS name calling and stone throwing.

id say 15% the people saying they suck either owned or saw one of the old design ones fail. the other 85% of the people on here saying they suck are repeating what they heard from some guys roommate in some chatroom somewhere.

show me one person that has had a problem with the new thick flange ones. I have yet to see a pic of one... you figure if it broke they would take a pic so they could bitch on the internet about how much they suck.

now the people saying they are pretty good and have been running them for a year.... no one wants to listen to them....


Lets all listen to the asshat who saw one in a pic one time over the people who have one bolted on thier damn car as we argue about this same tired topic over and over in a new thread per week.

if you got a pair and are willing to take a chance to save some serious money then go for it. If you cant afford the chance that you might have to do it twice then do it "right" the first time. I took a a chance and im very happy with the result and the money left in my pocket.

if it lasts a year and cracks... ill buy another per year for 5 more years and still be on top.

I knew someone who said that exact same thing about their wastegates.... Oh sure the wastegate was cheap to replace, but the engine that popped because of it wasn't. :D

i was talking about the manifolds.... but we can talk about the WG's

was this when they first came out? carl made 506rwhp and he seems to be happy with his.

how did it fail? is this that same ole story about the guy who ripped the diaphram and the WG got stuck shut?

a side note... i plan to tune so a boost spike caused by any of the many reasons will kill timing and go full rich to save the motor.

This is one I removed about 3 months ago. Not sure what the cause of failure was on it, the thing was pretty much seized in place, it took a hammer to finally get the door to open up, and it just stayed in the position we hammered it to. After that, the owner was feeling pretty shitty and tossed it and called it a day. (And after stripping the engine, pulling the block out, tearing it down, and so forth, I wasn't in a mood to argue about giving up!)

To all the supporters, this is not about what works and what doesn't.
It's about supporting who does the R&D and who doesn't.
I don't want to rehash this (sensitive) subject, cause it's been overdone in the other sections many a times.

If you want to support knock-off artists that do zero R&D and all they do is copy someone else's work, then that's your perogative.
This is about economics - supply and demand.
To all the companies who pioneered the industry in developing cutting-edge products, they need to either cut their prices or close shop.
Unfortunately, some of them have closed shop - see SSR Japan.
If you keep supporting these SE Asian knock-off shops, then don't be surprised all the innovators close shop - all you going to end up is copy shops with no one to copy.
We'll see who ends up complaining...then take a good look at yourself.


-Ted

Well, they did find the perfect crowd. FC owners sure tend to be cheap!

Thats ME!!! Im one of the many FC owners who is young and poor that wants a sweet FAST rx7....ALOT of FC owners want a FD but just cant afford it, so thats why we have FC's......Im prolly gonna get alot of shit for saying this but it is true most the FC owners iv talked to would rathe had a FD just cant afford it. And if it wasnt for used and copy knock off stuff I would have a stock FC! Im still waiting on definate proof on the SSautochrome stuff but here is another thread like many on many forums that seem to not be going anywhere....my opinion although they are tempting I cant afford it if shit goes wrong so for now ill stick to stock turbo 12PSI mid 13's 1/4 mile.

Howdy!

Guess what? I live in a Rice town, and take a guess where most of their FMIC units, intakes, and exhausts come from? Not to mention their turbos and front mounted intercoolers? You guessed it! SSAC and their groupie subcompanies. And I've been able to touch it, seen it on cars, and everything. And guess what? After two weeks most of their turbo related shit is fucked. Their manifolds DO crack. Their intercooler kit isn't to worse, but for the same money you can get much better. Like a spearco that can be had for 300 bucks + 100 more for piping! But with something as trivial as intercooling, why not spend the extra money and protect the engine of yours the BEST that you can?

So before you stick up for a company that steals and sells products that are most likely made by a 5 year old in Bosnia without any R&D, I think you should see first hand their BULLSHIT that they put out. I have, and its not pretty (I watched a mint FC lose his engine running their T-60 turbo kit :(! 11,000 on a rebuild).

Waste your money elsewhere. They don't do R&D, they don't care if your engine is fucked or not, after the paypal goes threw, they don't give a flying fuck about you.

Also, don't make assumptions about what I've seen and what I haven't. And take sometime and search SSAC and their other shit, there yuo can see some manifolds that are obviously dicked up.

Good day

Damn you guys can be cheap ;).

I seen a rebuilt( bullet proof motor) blow on the dyno, with a $2000 turbo and custom manifold. What is your point? You can blow your motor with the stock turbo.

I have used greddy IC in my old 7 and IS300, but I have never had an intercooler keep the temps as low, as their IC. So far no leaks( and I have pressure tested it) and no complaints. The only thing I didnt use, was their turbo. The hks wastegate I used to have creeped and I paid $450!!

I dont want to start shit, but Jager you are full of shit. If you can get something that will perform the same for alot less and choose not to because you want a certain name stamped onto the parts, then you are a fool.

Don't want to start shit but you call me full of shit? I really don't mind. You can have your shitty products :D. Really! I don't mind. All the SSAC shit I've been around is still shit. Nothing like cracking manifolds and turbos glued together makes me wanna buy it.

Calling me a fool since I buy products made by reputable companies? Ironic statement yo.

Btw, if the bullet proof engine blows, its not bulletproof. I say that would be the tuners fault.

correct me if im wrong but arent turbonetics turbos just a garrett clone if so better start a new thread on how they are shit and do no r&d seams people are selective as for people posting about the cracked manifold and compressor cover let me guess they were your mates and you saw it happen get a mind of your own and stop listning to peoples bullshit like i said show me the proof and ill admit im wrong

so what ,who cares mines is on the way and if it cracks i will just put my stock one back on and i will still be happy cuz i worked on the 7 again ,so take a chance in life i did ,in mongolia and iraq

i am with ya mate

Proof?

Search for your proof ;).