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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 06:50 PM
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Question Single or Dual exhaust?

I tried using search but nothing showed up.What's better to have a dual or single exhaust for a Turbo II?
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 06:54 PM
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There are countless threads about this topic. Do a search on duals and collected single.
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 06:58 PM
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Talk to mazdaspeed7. Or look for posts under his ID. He understands exhausts pretty well.
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Old Nov 11, 2003 | 06:59 PM
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Or talk to 1987RX7guy
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 01:26 AM
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Turbos dont use the same principles as n/a's. You cannot go too big for hp, the only limiting factor on size is the diminishing returns. For a turbo, just make sure it flows well, thats all that matters. 3" single, or if you want it quieter, have a y pipe, and run duals.
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 01:45 AM
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Or talk to 1987RX7guy
He ran duals on an N/A. And I doubt he will be responding to any posts.
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 02:00 PM
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Save weight, go for a single!
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by deevious
Save weight, go for a single!
Good point there about the weight.What im worried about though is the heat and airflow.Wouldn't there be more air flow and it won't get as hot as quick as a single would.Is single better for a Turbo II?
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 02:11 PM
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3" single. The Apexi GT spec is a nice unit for the TII. Less weight contributing than would be with two cannisters and a y pipe.
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 02:36 PM
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Are these good cat-backs?

5Zigen Fire Ball series cat-back
5Zigen Cannon Ball series cat-back
HKS Dragger series cat-back

What would you guys suggest?

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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 02:52 PM
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 03:01 PM
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If you are looking for big gains look for a downpipe/presilencer combo. Catback's do not give that big of a gain. You could always go for the 3inch turbo back systems out there but those are expensive.
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Old Nov 12, 2003 | 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by 3RotorRocket
Are these good cat-backs?

5Zigen Fire Ball series cat-back
5Zigen Cannon Ball series cat-back
HKS Dragger series cat-back

What would you guys suggest?

Make sure the can is SS packed to deal with the heat. I doubt the 5Zigen is, HKS is as far as I know.

Like said above, the cat back will give you decent gains but if you go to a downpipe and 3" from the turbo back you'll see a greater return. Make sure you do the necessary mods to offset the new parts (wastegate etc.)
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by 3RotorRocket
Good point there about the weight.
It's really a non-issue. A dual system adds ~20lbs compared to a single, which is less than 1% of the car's total weight. You'll never notice that.
Wouldn't there be more air flow and it won't get as hot as quick as a single would.Is single better for a Turbo II?
Heat isn't a problem, and flow depends entirely of the pipe sizes, not whether it's dual or single. People who make the blanket statement "single flows better than dual" don't understand simple fluid dynamics.

The three most important issues are cost, noise and appearance. Dual costs more, single is noisier and which looks better is entirely up to the individual.
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 11:02 AM
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I would like dual cause they look better but I just don't have alot of money to dump into a new exhaust.
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 11:08 AM
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 11:10 AM
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I like the single option for cost effective and weight reduction, personally.
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 11:16 AM
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 11:21 AM
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Heh, yea. Cool.

And IMO, unless you get the second half circle filled in, duals look better on an FC.

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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 07:52 PM
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It's really a non-issue. A dual system adds ~20lbs compared to a single, which is less than 1% of the car's total weight. You'll never notice that.
every little counts, not to mention 20lbs isn't little at all.
there aren't too many things you can pull out of a car that weighs over 20lbs by itself.

you're right, 20lbs isn't even a percent of your cars weight, but if you can strip your car as much as you can and save weight wherever you can, you can easily achieve a 200lb loss, which is nearly 10%.

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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 10:07 PM
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Nevermind, spoke to the man myself.
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 10:24 PM
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you're right, 20lbs isn't even a percent of your cars weight, but if you can strip your car as much as you can and save weight wherever you can, you can easily achieve a 200lb loss, which is nearly 10%.

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Well said. That is how I got my FC in the 2400 range. You would be surprised how much difference 250 pounds makes.
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 10:41 PM
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20 lbs is a lot indeed.

also, a single pipe would have less surface area for an equal volume of air. less surface area = less friction, right?
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Old Nov 13, 2003 | 10:53 PM
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Well, I think the factory dual exhaust was merely for appearance. The CS Single drops 36lbs off of the car, too bad it dosent exit the passenger side though. I forget the formula, but there is a way to find out how big of a dual exhaust you would need to equal the flow of a single exhaust. If you're looking for a quiet exhaust, get a Racing Beat Dual exhaust though.
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