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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 12:24 PM
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removing twin scroll

Ive removed the twin scroll setup from my TII with the exception of the flapper inside the exhaust manifold.

Obviously the flapper needs to stay open, so I was just going to wire it open, but then I started thinking, if I dont wire it open and just let it move freely, wouldnt the exhaust gas hold it open at all times?
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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not necessairily.....if its removed you should wire it open

But why would you remove it?? Felt like adding a little lag to your setup?
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 01:28 PM
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i removed it, felt no real diffrence with a free flowing exhaust, i can get into boost at 3k rpms in 3rd
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 03:36 PM
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my motor is streetpored, with a full exhaust. I dont think the twin scroll would have helped anything in my case.

But I guess I'll wire it open then.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 04:11 PM
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take it out, weld the hole shut, or put a bolt in its place.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hornbm
...if I dont wire it open and just let it move freely, wouldnt the exhaust gas hold it open at all times?
It's far more llikely it will hold it closed under load. Definitely wire it open or leave the actuator in place to hold it open.

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my motor is streetpored, with a full exhaust. I dont think the twin scroll would have helped anything in my case.
Neither of those things would make the twin-scroll system less beneficial.

Originally Posted by keithrulz
i removed it, felt no real diffrence with a free flowing exhaust...
Did you confirm the system was actually working before you removed it? Any problem with it (like a cracked vac line) will make the flap stay open, so there will obviously be no difference upon removal.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 09:22 PM
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 05:28 PM
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wait does the actuator for the twin scroll hold it OPEN or CLOSED with no vacuum source attached to it?
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 05:41 PM
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i speak from experience do NOT let the flapper flap freely IT WILL block your exhaust stream. take the flap out if you dont have a stock turbo. and you will notice a difference if the flap is taken out.. i know i did. i took mine out by breaking the weld on the pivot from the outside. and twice the out arm off. tap it and be merry
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 05:48 PM
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i speak from experience do NOT let the flapper flap freely IT WILL block your exhaust stream. take the flap out if you dont have a stock turbo. and you will notice a difference if the flap is taken out.. i know i did. i took mine out by breaking the weld on the pivot from the outside. and twist the out arm off. tap it and be merry
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 05:59 PM
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Why remove the twin scroll? Im just trying to learn more.
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 06:58 PM
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If you had just removed the vacuum hose from the solenoid or actuator.........the flap would have stayed wide open all day and night long. The actuator spring loads it to full open when there is no vacuum available.
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by hornbm
wait does the actuator for the twin scroll hold it OPEN or CLOSED with no vacuum source attached to it?
The spring in the actuator holds the flap open. Below 2700rpm (and as soon as you start the engine) the ECU turns the solenoid on which applies vacuum to the actuator, which pulls the flap closed. A check valve holds the vacuum in the actuator even if you open the throttle. When the engine goes above 2700rpm the ECU turns off the solenoid which releases the vacuum to atmosphere (or more correctly lets air in) and the flap springs open. When the engine speeds drops again the process repeats.
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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Chooks
Why remove the twin scroll? Im just trying to learn more.
Less turbulence in the turbo exhaust manifold...
Even with the flapper in the "open" position, there is still partial blockage.


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