DEZERTE

Since the last one I made was too thin and sucked ***, I remade the outlet out of 1/4" thick steel and a 3" diameter steel pipe. Im going to mount the Supercharger where zbrown mounted his, but mine is going to be turned 90* clockwise (if youre facing the nose of the car) so the outlet runs straight into the TB without the 90* bend. Im hoping this yields better results.
I have a 3" to 2.5" Coupler on the outlet because Im going to be using a custom intake pipe that bolts direction to the TB that is 2.5" Ill just use another 2.5" pipe and coupler to run to the TB and run the BOV and Bypass valve off of that, like Zbrown did.


Questions? Comments?

SirCygnus

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would junkyard superhcargers work aswell? cus my engine is old 180k miles and was wondering if this would be able to handle even a little psi reliably.

DEZERTE

If you are worried about the PSI, probably use a smaller pully, perhaps 2.5-3"?
I guess the Junkyard SC would work as well.. if its not in **** condition im assuming.

SirCygnus

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ofcourse. i wont pick anything that i find. whats the dificulty compared to turboing an na compared to supercharging it?

DEZERTE

Supercharging is easier in my opinion, read that long *** thread by Zbrown called "My n/a supercharging project complete" He doesnt have that many posts so just search by user "zbrown"

SirCygnus

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good deal.

SirCygnus

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cant you just replace the whole uim and mount the superhcrager on it?

DEZERTE

Lol, I dont know, wouldnt you have to mess with the TB and all that crap to?

TwEaK

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dezerte could you do a write on what you did and send it to me or show all of us?
Thanks
TwEaK

DEZERTE

I havent done the whole thing yet, But once I do, ill surely do a write up.

NZConvertible

Why no intercooler? Why limit the potential so much?

Kenteth

wow! looks much better!

DEZERTE

How would you set up the intercooler? The easiest way looks like you would have to mount the supercharger on the drivers side, which is impossbile. Im almost positive it wont fit. (since ive tried positioning it there and such)
But I dont see how youd set the IC up, and I read that the eaton M90 Doesnt need one. Correct me if Im wrong, or make comments or whatever please

rotard

I dunno, no fit test, but I think the driver's side might have some potential, with the mounts for the PS and A/C over there. Use a short snout (whole unit just over 30 cm long) and place the SC fairly high up.

Also like the idea of modded manifolds, which could also serve as mount point.

IC might not be necessary, but will be very good power wise, and safety wise too.

DEZERTE

YEah, drivers side is definetly too small for the m90, I might think of a way for an IC once i get everything set up. I was thinking the exact same thing about the PS and AC mounting area. But Ill probably just remove the airpump and have somebody fab something up to fit it off there.

Speed_Machine

An intercooler is not necessary for a supercharger. They are an entirely different application than a turbo charger.

rotarygod

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Any time you compress air, you heat it up. While this supercharger doesn't compress the air inside the unit itself, the air does get compressed inside the intake manifold and engine. This heats it up.

DEZERTE

But... what good would an intercooler do if the air only gets headed up inside the Intake manifold? An IC doesnt cool this air..

Blade8r

so putting in intercooler wouldnt help out the system at all?

DEZERTE

Doesnt really look like it to me that much at least.., but NZconvertible seems to think it will, still waiting on a reply from him though

pyrojunkie

As once stated by a member on this forum (I remember seeing it but can't remember who said it) "Not all boost is created equal"

Superchargers and Turbochargers BOTH compress air. Compressing anything heats it up. The difference is what drives them. A supercharger is powered by the belt and sits in a rather cool position. A turbocharger is powered by the hot flowing exhaust gases. These gases heat the turbocharger thus heating up the air it compresses also. The supercharger has the advantage of not needing an intercooler for "useable" boost, but a non-intercooled supercharer's boost will not equal the potential of an intercooled turbocharger boost.

The point of all that is "colder the boost, better the power". While you can run it without an intercooler, why start making welds or mounts without considering a possible future intercooler spot? If you look at advanced supercharger kits for other cars, you'll notice they come with intercoolers. If you give up on intercooling now, like NZConvertible said "Why limit the potential".

edit: quick search: Evil Aviator gets the wiseguy points for the "Not all boost is created equal" statement. At least thats where I first read those words.

pyrojunkie

Also here's an intercooling idea, that zbrown I am sure is trying out. Zbrown mentioned he was looking for a turbo intake manifold. His supercharger sits near the stock turbocharger's, or at least in a very rough general area as it. His plan is most likely to use the stock intercooling setup. Since your supercharger plan is mostly like his, you can use this idea too.

Not a bad idea, but too much borrowing from a turbo car for my like. I do plan on trying this out myself, as soon as I finish an insurance issue with some lady who wrecked my 7. I am happy to see that you are going through with this project Dezerte, it will help me learn a lot. I am still trying to ignore your comments on it not fitting on the drivers side. I need to see this for myself. I AM A STUBBORN BASTARD.

pyrojunkie

One last thing, Dezerte.

I saw you mention if you want lower boost use a smaller pulley. That is exactly the opposite effect. A bigger pulley will lessen the revolutions and make less boost at the given rpm.

I hope you read this before you overspin your m90.

Dyre

Just run a small Air-To-Water setup. You could use any number of small stock cores and convert them for water use. DSM sidemounts and TII top mounts come to mind as being good examples-

You could grab a honda radiator to use as the heat exchanger.

rotard

Dezerte: Check out Corky Bell's Suoercharged!, if you haven't already. It'll trip you out hardcore.