"rear toe eliminators" just wondering how many people like them?... for myself i find the back end to get very squishy... do you guys think that they help you in the corner?

any other comments?

 

Parked outside my office the other day was a guy and his stripped and cages S5 race-car. I started a conversation with the guy. He informed me (without my asking) that I should replace the bushings to fix the rear toe post haste.

 

I would like to replace them with the stock equipment Mazda had back there, but they don't sell new bushings (as far as I know) only the entire rear carrier or something expensive like that. I helped a friend replace his,and besides the bolt going through the bushing being old and mad tight, its not hard to take out. Gotta get new ones pressed in, but a local machine shop can do it.

 

got them and love them, i always hated how the rear would try to compensate when i was hanging the rear out
apexdrift - what springs and shocks are you using in the rear?

 

where do get rear toe eliminators? i just put tokico illuminas all the way around and racing beat springs on a couple of weeks ago and the rear toe is too negative in the back. it feels ok in the corners but it is squishy. I adjusted the rear shocks to the firmest setting seems to do well

 

i believe www.mazdatrix.com sells them

 

sorry guys i worded the question wrong...do you guys like the DTSS system?... would you guys recommend getting rear toe eliminators... i find the DTSS system to get very squishy! you guys think the DTSS system helps you in the corners?...i didnt really notice the DTSS system until last night when i took a corner really really hard last night... i guess its just me getting to know the car a little more!

so yeah keep the DTSS or scrap it and get the rear toe eliminators?

 

stock my 10AE is pure stock i still got the clogged cats

 

corksport also sells them.

 

i heard that while pushing ur car (i.e. on the track, etc) having the dtss system makes the car somewhat unpredictable (not a HUGE deal tho)

 

mad tight

 

You wrote:

>I would like to replace them with the stock equipment Mazda had back there, but they don't sell new bushings (as far as I know)...

Yes, Mazda does sell replacement DTSS bushings. You could order them from Ray Crowe, PM, Malloy Mazda in Woodbridge, VA (www.malloyautomall.com), if you want. Personally, I cannot understand why you would want to replace them with stock bushings. IMO, the rear toe elimanator bushing are a tremendous improvement over the stock.

Hot_Dog
90 RX7 GXL
02 Acura RSX-S

 

I took my car to the track with the stock DTSS bushings and it was very predictable and stable and it never once scared me or surprized me in the way it reacted. That's with a totally stock suspension and hard all season tires though, don't know what it's like with some good rubber yet.

 

yea i would replace the springs and shocks first , it will stiffen it up a bit-

 

the dtss is unpredictable in extreme street driving, its kinda hard to tell how far is too far. thus i never push the car too hard around turns here in the city anymore. on the track i found once i was used to how it felt it was fine, but i still need to get those elimanator bushings, too rubbery of a feel for me.

 

Where exactly are the bushings at? Are they up near the wheels and struts and stuff or back up around the differential? And does anyone have a write up? I'm going to be getting some springs and struts soon and was wondering if I should just go ahead and get these while I'm in that area. Thanks.

 

The DTSS is good before you exceed the limits, but once you do they make it hard to regain control because your toe geometry is changing based on load... it gives some more rear toe in a hard turn, but if you lose grip, the cornering force is diminished and the toe goes back to normal and then whoops, now you're even more out of control.

 

someone needs to do some skidpad results with DTSS and W/O.

 

I suspect ultimate grip in static condition will be higher with the DTSS. It's transitionals I'm more worried about, and the aforementioned "lose it and you're screwed" issue.

 

is this the bushing that is located on the hub? can anyone post a pic of where these toe eliminators are installed, that would really help my situation

 

Do a search for "DTSS" in the 2nd gen section, and you'd see it's been rehashed too many times.



-Ted

 

DTSS is good for the Novice i beleive. for an experience driver... it equates to the idea of "too many hands in the cookie jar" or too many variable. the DTSS is unpredictable in how its going to react and at what point. it supposed to "activate" at like 0.65 lateral G or something... i forget exactly that its supposed to comply.

check out this link;
http://mazdatrix.com/faq/rrsteer.htm

if you eliminate the bushings, you also eliminate the possibility of something happening without your knowlege. as a good driver, you should be able to "Feel" the G-force at which your car exceeds its traction and then become accustomed to it and be able to push it closer to the edge w/o going over the edge. if DTSS is a factor, that "Edge" can be at different load levels depending on the age of the car and the condition of the parts. as a driver, you should be able to learn your car and itll be come an extension of your self and youll know the limitations; they will be clear cut lines and boundaries w/o the DTSS. with DTSS, those boundaries become fuzzy and dont know where too far is too far.

 

Yeah, DTSS isn't bad, but makes the car feel like two different cars. At about .5 g lateral acceleration, the car goes from mild understeer to little to no understeer, which makes the back end feel like it is starting to slide, or the chassis feel like it just flexed.

I put DTSS elim. bushings in my FC and love how solid the car feels in hard turns now. it basically keeps the same (neutral) attitude all the time. I did have to swap out my rear anti-sway bar for a stiffer one, and readjust the rear toe angle to get it the car to be neutral after the swap, however.

 

I'm putting in DTSS eliminators in mine as I love the solid feel, too

 

this bushing set doesnt include a new bolt? what else do i need besides the bolt?