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Old 12-27-11, 01:05 AM
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Question Rear Suspension - Correcting for negative camber?

So i looked around (a bit) and couldn't really find much on the matter, figured it wouldn't really hurt to make a thread. You guys are usually pretty helpful.

Anyways, my FC has a bit of negative camber going in the rear because of the redneck lowering-springs the previous owner threw on it. The inside of the tires (only part contacting the ground) are now slicks, with the outside half still having nubs on them from when he bought the tires. So i want to correct it, not only to get some more life out of these ruined tires, but also so that when i get a new set i don't need to worry about it. So i started digging, and found a part that sounded like just what i need. But I've never done anything like this before and have some questions...

The part in question has no name that I'm aware of, and is simply referred to as a "Rear Camber Adjuster".

Part description is as follows:

Originally Posted by mazdatrix
By pulling up or pushing down on the rear subframe where the original equipment vertical link is located, negative camber can be reduced or increased. This method changes both wheels an equal amount. Part #14008 has threads in the center of the assembly and requires removing the bolt from one end of the link to adjust the length. The subframe is then pushed or pulled to align with the new length and the bolt re-installed the. Part Numbers 04-7421-0000 and R-CAMBER-CRM allow adjustment without having to remove the link by incorporating heim joints, left and right-hand threads, with jam nuts.
The website you can find the part at:

http://www.mazdatrix.com/h6_86-92.htm

The part number for the part in question that i was looking at, three sections up from the very bottom of the page:

04-7421-0000



Now for the questions, and hopefully i don't sound like to much of an idiot, but like i said I've never done anything like this.

Basically, does it do what it says like it says. Does it work. Does anyone have any experience using this part or one of the other two in the section. Can it be used on a DD or is it for track only use. How do you install it? Is it HARD to install or can it be done in an hour or two? Basically, give me all the information you can on this part, I'm about to dump my christmas money on it and want to make sure it's not going to be wasted on a part that either doesn't work, doesn't FIT, or breaks in a month. Again, I have no idea how reputable these things are, I'm just recently getting into the rotary scene.

Thanks for whatever help you can give.
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The single camber bar. Can be use with dd or track use. Installing it is bolt and nut on top and bottom easy to take off and install. Match it with the stock part then adjust on car or however you wish. The one on mazdatrix and or eBay are the same thing so eBay cheap idk quality. I got the eBay part been used on lots of track days no issue and dd. The single camber bar the more it's extended you get more neg camber the shorter it is positive camber you get. I think can't say top of my head.
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If you want to also fix the problem, find a set of stock springs, or even a quality set of lowering springs, as I can only imagine 'redneck' to mean 'cut coils', which will not be very fun.

IF you get a camber bar, get the one that can be adjusted ON the car (the cheapest version mazdatrix sells has to be removed to be adjusted).

Have you even had it aligned by a shop yet? From the factory mazda has a camber BOLT that will adjust each side, chances are they have been screwed with by your prior owner in his quest for mad tyte jdm camber yo.
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Buy the rear camber adjuster at Banzai Racing. The TC Sportline one there is $70 and on car adjustable.
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Originally Posted by FirstRotaryExp
If you want to also fix the problem, find a set of stock springs, or even a quality set of lowering springs, as I can only imagine 'redneck' to mean 'cut coils', which will not be very fun.

IF you get a camber bar, get the one that can be adjusted ON the car (the cheapest version mazdatrix sells has to be removed to be adjusted).

Have you even had it aligned by a shop yet? From the factory mazda has a camber BOLT that will adjust each side, chances are they have been screwed with by your prior owner in his quest for mad tyte jdm camber yo.
Can i attempt to adjust this bolt myself? Where is it? Last time i tried to go get it aligned they basically told me they won't do it. When i asked why, they said that the rear tires being worn down so much and the front tires having spacers on it posed a huge safety hazard to them and they weren't allowed to work on it.

(Even though i drive it every day and have even raced it up the local mountain without any problems...)

If not I'll buy the one at Banzai (thanks for that btw, a lot cheaper), adjust it myself, then when it comes time to buy new tires I'll get it aligned.
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the cam bolt that he is referring to, does not help with much. maybe .25* camber is all you get out of it.

the rear camber bar is good for taking out tons and tons of camber. i went from -3.5 to -.5 with the bar. mine is tc sportline and can be adjusted on the car.

the problem with these bars though, is that they are for course adjustment and it will affect every car differently and usually by way of different camber at each corner.

to correct this (without finding stock springs that arent aged and sagged) you will also need individual camber link adjusters.

tc sportline for the camber rod
mmr-direct.com for the individual adjusters.


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http://www.ebay.com/itm/86-87-88-89-...#ht_2754wt_950

this is the rod i have. it most certainly is adjustable while on the car..
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Best bang for the buck, this: http://www.mazdatrix.com/getprice.as...m=R-CAMBER-CRM

Downside, you can't adjust either side independently. So one side will most always have more negative camber than the other side. Upside, very easy install.

BEST, this and the matching one for the other side: http://www.mazdatrix.com/getprice.as...um=86-01-E015L

Downside, more difficult install. Upside, you can adjust either side independently.

As to alignment, I've run into shops like you described.

Most oftern shops that won't touch cars with spacers, and I totally get that. It's not so much they cause difficulty in doing an alignment. But they present a less than factory perfect mount, thus a liability issue if they do the work and, thus, declare you good to go. They're exposing their corporate wallet, so run the risk of getting fired. Thus why I got correct offset wheels not needing spacers.

Same regarding the tires as it's not so much alignment but that they let you go with bald tires with an an implied endorsement since they declared you car good to go once the alignment work is done. So I get that too.
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I would get the mazdatrix part #'s 86-01-E015L and 86-01-E015R. They can be adjusted while on the car, they are more work to install, but work great. I have had a bolt on one of them snap after being on for maybe 4-5 years, the bolt itself was hard to find. I had to special order one, mazdatrix wasn't much help with that (they wanted to sell me a whole new kit). Also, my grease fitting popped out while I greased them last time on one of them, still need to fix that....So before you install I recommend finding replacement spare bolts, and maybe put in screw in type zerk fittings instead of the push in style.
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I went ahead and ordered the camber bar from banzai racing. Really appreciate the help guys, it doesn't ship out until the 3rd due to...Well, I'd assume the christmas and new years holidays, but I'll keep this thread in the back of my mind in case i have any trouble with it once it arrives.
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