Carl Byck

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mazdadude

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Your car is the sexiest FC I have ever seen! You should get vids of that thing in action! Spoiler is also nice.

Madrx7racer

the whole car is......is.......just......sexyness.....






AT this pic:

NZConvertible

Don't be a sucker for brandnames. Just because it's made by a well-known company doesn't make it look any less ridiculous on the street.

Quality has absolutely nothing to do with it, it still just looks bad on a street car. You'll be paying through the nose for that quality too, so this is really just an expensive way to get people to point at your car and laugh...

On the street (his is not a race car), this wing should have no performance benefits. If anyone's taking corners on public roads at speeds high enough for this wing to be beneficial, they should be banned from driving for life...

diyman25

Why all GT Spoiler are RICE? I dont really get it.

Special the one design by RE AMEMIYA.... AMEMIYA took this GT2 spoiler design straight off from their RACE Wining RACE CAR(JGTC)... PLUS it is one of best looking spoiler I ever seen in my life....

People call the GT spoiler Rice, HAD no CLUE what GT spoiler will do in RACE TRACK( not DRAG).... how ever I have to agree. A lot of Dumb *** people put the GT spoiler in wrong direction


Oh well here is my real RE amemiya GT2 spoiler( not copy from Rotary extreme). And you wil l be amaz, this spoiler is work of art( compare to "eBAY GT wings")

Some people will never understand what is feel, be able to FLAT out at willow spring Turn 2 and turn 8. TALking Trash is easy, but to drive FAST on race track need a lot more

oregano

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one day ill be able to come play with you guys, one day....

NZConvertible

I personally put a lot more stock in the way something functions as opposed to the way it looks. I really don't like purposeless "styling cues". For example I think the TII hood looks great, but I think it looks stupid on an NA because I know it's doing absolutely nothing. Big wings on street cars are the same.

Now I think that RE-A wing looks just a bit silly (and if you're honest you'll admit you do too). Visually it does not sit well on the car at all, sticking out the sides like it does, but I know how well it works, and so I think it looks completely okay on a race car. It's there for a purpose, it does it's job well, so it looks right.

But that exact same wing on a street car looks plain stupid, because it will never be doing the job it was designed for. How many corners are you going to be able to take on public roads fast enough for the wing to actually be aiding your progress? Probably zero. So it's useless and it looks exactly that.

Bigretardhead

and what if you drive your car on the street (making it a street car), and then take it too the race track occasionally where it is completely functional and useful. would you not buy something you could use at the track because it might not look 'right' to you when you drive it on the street? or would waste a bunch of time to remove it when you're driving on the street to have a bunch of holes in the trunk instead? or what?

this whole "rice" thing has gone waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy over the top on this forum. people need to realize there are good reasons to not have your car looking completely 100 % original. I don't even know WTF "RICE" means anymore because its soooooooo over used here.

1987RX7guy

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Wasting time taking it off? If you are going to the track Occasionally you can install and remove that air plane wing OCCASIONALLY! Most people I know here that are serious about track usage of their street cars have a completely separate set of rubber and wheels that are used only on the track because they are FOR track use. Outside of the track they aren't the best thing to use specially in wet/rainy/snowy conditions. So you remove them when you leave the track. Now forgive me but I believe that swapping out a whole set of wheels and tires when you go to the track is MORE work than unbolting a wing and leaving some SS bolts in the holes so that you don't have holes in your body when you're on the street. You probably take twice as long doing the wheel/tire swap compared to removing that ugly wing.

Garoad

to you it does. i like it. if he wants to have it on his car i say go for it.

Garoad

how they ****** want their car to look is 100% original. every car is different.

Bigretardhead

ummm..... well, the thing about changin your tires, is that most R-compound tires have a tread wear rating of less than 50, which is REALLY bad(if they're even street legal). if you don't change tires at the track, you'lll end up wearing down like half of your expensive race tires on the way there, or over a weekend, when you're not even driving hard. it would be a complete waste of tires to not change them. now, a wing isn't going to wear down from too much driving. plus, if you remove the wing for the street, then now everytime you drive to the track, not only will you have to change your tires, but you'll have to put on the wing, which just adds more time you won't want to spend getting your car ready. oh, and also you'll need a place to carry it. I mean, you could probably squeeze 4 tires in the back of the car, but no way you could fit a wing in there with them, and not have it get damaged.
and I guess you would dissagree about this, but I would much rather have a wing on the back than some big bolt holes, or bolts sticking out through them.

kenn_chan

The whole rice or not rice has gone to far, most of the people yapping rice simply yap it casue they can't afford it. Rice is a dodge neon with a 4" muffler and a TRd sticker on one side and a rally art on the other. ya alls need to get off of the rice hollering bandwagon and get laid!

kenn

I like Rice, my wife likes rice, we eat it at leat 2 time a day!

1987RX7guy

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I wasn't refering to WEAR I was refering to "wasting time" it isn't if its part of your race setup. If you don't want to carry it in your car on the way to the track then leave it in your garage until you leave for the event. That day before you leave take 5 minutes(if that) and put it on. SS cap bolts don't look ugly. Hell you can paint them to match if you are that uptight about your car's looks.

Another thing is that driving around at low speeds that GAUDY thing is likely slightly hurting your cars performance and fuel economy. Drag isn't a good thing unless you want to slow down. Like most of the people here say it might not be a big difference but every bit counts right? Its a waste of money to have it on a street car at all. You aren't gaining anything.

1987RX7guy

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He posted asking for feedback.


GUESS WHAT we are GIVING HIM what he ASKED FOR.

Even if it wasn't rice it IS over the top. Its one of the gaudy-est things available for an FC.

kenn_chan

If you thinks its gaudy thats fine, actually the first poster (RHScare) asked for your opinion. Big retard head didn't ask you. So for you go barking at me get you facts straight

kenn

and since we are airing opinions here, not statements of facts I think that by your standards 95 percent of the people on this forum could be considered ricers, ah lets see if I put a T51kai and an FMIC, supporting fuel and computer mods I must be a ricer, casue lord knws there are no places to use said equipment on the street!

this forum is just filled with Oh so Knowledgeable people it just makes me cry with laughter sometimes.

Bigretardhead

how is it wasting time if its to save yourself from having to spend another grand on race tires for anothing week?

and anything that wing does at street speeds will not be noticeable at all as far as gas mileage goes.

I think they do look ugly.... and a hell of a lot uglier than that wing.

and no, I'm not that uptight about my car's looks. thats why I wouldn't spend time to remove the wing when I'm not driving on the track. someone who spends time to remove the wing I say would be a lot more uptight about their car's looks... or just emberassed that some random person on the street might not like the way the car looks with it on.

1987RX7guy

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The thread starter is the whole point! You do not address second party issues in a thread. That is called being off topic(consequently these responses ARE all OFF TOPIC@!)

By my standards a lot of people are ricers but that is because I make clear judgements and follow them all and don't make exceptions and double standards that make me a hypocrite by calling others ricers and not RX-7 owners. I use a level scale for everyone not just **** box drivers.


This whole thread was based on disclosure of OPPINIONS! not facts. The thread starter pointed this discussion in that direction not me. Who gives a **** about facts about irrelevant garbage when he didn't ask for them?

Bigretardhead

exactly. If anyone's accelerating on public roads fast enough for this stuff to be beneficial, they should be banned from driving for life... right?

1987RX7guy

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You are misenterpreting my usage of race tires/wheels example in my response. I wasn't refering to wear on the tires. They were just an example of what a racer does to change his car on race day. It takes time to setup a suspension to suit a track and change wheel setup and spoiler angles.


How do you know the drag isn't going to affect fuel efficiency? Do you know how much drag is there? Does REA have numbers published as to drag/downforce and if so at street speeds? You nor I know anything of that other than there will be extra drag and extra weight on the car with will undoubtedly affect performance to some extent.


Optimizing your car's setup for different conditions by removing and adding parts and changing setups like spoilers and suspension and wheel options is not being uptight about appearances its wanting to have the best setup for individual situations.

1987RX7guy

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Then you condone illegal activity on the street? These kinds of things have the potential to hurt innocensts and participants. You shouldn't act like a moron on public roads. Its illegal for the simple reasons that should be obvious.

kenn_chan

opinions right, don't see the duality there in your statement? what a riot.

Bigretardhead

uh... huh? I said the exact opposite, and was completely serious. the only thing a big turbo and fuel and new computer and all kinds of engine mods are going to be able to do on the street is waste more gas. so, if its completely worthless for street use...or, in fact reducing your cars street performance (gas mileage/comfort) its rice, isn't it?

I'm well aware of that. but I'm saying that there are specific reasons racers don't drive with their race tires on the street, not because they think they don't look good. also, removing the wing just means they will have to spend even more time setting up their car before a race, which isn't real thrilling to do.

and, about the drag comment, I don't know for sure the drag won't be noticeable, but it was already mentioned that it would not be noticeable on the street(by NZ convertible), so I was just going off that comment.

if in fact it is noticeable on the street, then well, you'll get worse gas mileage, but you'll also be able to brake faster (which is always good) and corner better, which could be usefull for avoiding an accident, especially on the highway where it will certainly be working.

NZConvertible

There's a pretty obvious answer to this question. If your car only sees the track occasionally, then it is going to be almost entirely set up for sterrt use, not track use. That means all the other things you need to make a race car fast (race suspension, race tires, race brakes) are probably not going to be there. You cannot just slap a dirty great wing in the back and expect it to shave seconds off your lap time; you're dreaming if you do. So the wing isn't going to be nearly as "functional and useful" as it would on a race car that has the other stuff needed to take corners at the speeds that make the wing work as intended.

Why can't people just be honest and admit that on 99% of cars the thing is for decoration? Any opportunity for it to actually work is just a lucky bonus.

No, I was talking about downforce (the whole reason for that wing), not drag. They are two very different things. There will definitly be a large increase in drag. How much this affects fuel consumption depends entirely on how much time you spend at highway speeds.

Any effects are going to be neglible, because you won't be (or at least shouldn't be) going fast enough.

Bigretardhead

okay, forget the "occasional" part. say you race your car once a week, and still want to drive it on the street occasionally.

and even so, my daily driver is my auto-x car (not an rx7). its suspension and brakes are aimed at racing, but can still daily drive it. sure, its not real comfy, and the brakes aren't real responsive for the first block, but I can get around that. and I only race it 'occasionally'. this car doesn't accelerate fast enough to have any use for a wing though, but if my rx7's suspension was set up similarly, I'm sure it would benefit from it at a race track (not auto-x of course). and like mentioned earlier, tires would be changed at the track.

I wouldn't expect a wing to have any real benefit on a car with street tires and a street setup suspension. but just because your car see's the street doesn't mean it has crappy suspension, or that the tires you use at the track are crappy.

definetly not true. 2 of the only people in the thread that actually have one bought it for pure function.

and if I were to buy one for looks only, I would gladly admit it. I don't have a problem with it, and I don't care what anyone else thinks about my car.... but some people do. *looks around*

yes, I'm aware of that. but high quality wings are designed to have very little drag for the amount of downforce they produce. there is no way the RE wing is going to have a lot of drag, since it was designed for, and is used on their race car. ... now continueing to the next quote -

right, that was my point after santiago's fuel consumption thing. if you're going fast enough for the drag to make any difference on fuel consumption, then that will also be fast enough for the downforce to help the car's performance.