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Old Feb 28, 2015 | 05:56 PM
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question about The Hose thats in the middle of the gas tank

Okay simple question, what is the hose connected to? IF i was to send premix thru that hose, would it make it to the tank. My plan is to connect that hose to a washer pump and switch so that i can premix by pressing a button. Pic is an example, i do not have my tank removed to check
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Old Feb 28, 2015 | 10:41 PM
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I would crack open the good ole factory service manual. It'll be in there for sure ;-)
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Old Mar 1, 2015 | 12:07 AM
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that is a check valve..and unless you delete it nothing will flow INTO the tank through it.
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Old Mar 1, 2015 | 07:19 AM
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May be it's pressure sensitive, but thought it was the rollover/vent valve, meaning it's open to allow
the fumes to get to the charcoal canister but on a rollover it would shut and not allow fuel to spill.
Blow through the hose to see if air enters the tank.
Regardless, I wouldn't use it for another application as the tank needs to vent.
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Old Mar 1, 2015 | 07:31 AM
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Probably the easiest place to tie into would be the fill neck vent tube (right next to the big fill port on the right).

Also, I'd be leery of a washer pump as it's designed to push thinner, less viscous water instead of oil.
Might work, but I'd check it out first.
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Old Mar 1, 2015 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by clokker
Probably the easiest place to tie into would be the fill neck vent tube (right next to the big fill port on the right).

Also, I'd be leery of a washer pump as it's designed to push thinner, less viscous water instead of oil.
Might work, but I'd check it out first.
I'd wonder how you meter the oil quantity going into the tank.
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Old Mar 1, 2015 | 06:23 PM
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test it by filling a measuring cup up with the pump and count how many seconds it takes to equal one ounce.
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Old Mar 1, 2015 | 07:35 PM
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I can't say I've been convinced by previous attempts/discussion of this subject.

The stock system is invisible to the operator, requires no regular maintenance.
But, you say, the OMP can be problematic (especially on the S5), the oil distribution is awful and the oil itself is wrong.

Agree on all counts, premix is absolutely superior in all respects...except operator convenience because it does require you add the oil yourself. Frankly, I don't see that as much of an issue, you're already right there pumping in gas anyway.

BUT I take issue with complicating a process whose main advantage is absolute reliability and simplicity (you dump oil in the gas, if the engine is getting fuel it's getting oil too, no question).

When you press the button how certain are you that the correct (if any?) oil was injected?
And you now have a reservoir to monitor, presumably somewhere in the hatch/spare tire well area, which is kinda out of the way.

Seems like you're overthinking/engineering this.
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Old Mar 1, 2015 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Acesanugal
I would crack open the good ole factory service manual. It'll be in there for sure ;-)
I started looking in there, haven't found it yet.

Originally Posted by misterstyx69
that is a check valve..and unless you delete it nothing will flow INTO the tank through it.
by the way it looks, I was thinking the same thing

Originally Posted by Turbonut
May be it's pressure sensitive, but thought it was the rollover/vent valve, meaning it's open to allow
the fumes to get to the charcoal canister but on a rollover it would shut and not allow fuel to spill.
Blow through the hose to see if air enters the tank.
Regardless, I wouldn't use it for another application as the tank needs to vent.
Very good point, i didnt think of that.

Originally Posted by clokker
Probably the easiest place to tie into would be the fill neck vent tube (right next to the big fill port on the right).

Also, I'd be leery of a washer pump as it's designed to push thinner, less viscous water instead of oil.
Might work, but I'd check it out first.
the filler neck vent tube was actually my original plan, just looking at alternative options, i believe it can be accessed from in the hatch area. I had planned to cut it and insert a T adapter and run it to a nice universal washer bottle. The viscosity does concern me, i would test it an make sure is flowing well without any issues

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test it by filling a measuring cup up with the pump and count how many seconds it takes to equal one ounce.
thats the plan

Originally Posted by philiptompkins
I'd wonder how you meter the oil quantity going into the tank.
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Old Mar 1, 2015 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jjwalker
test it by filling a measuring cup up with the pump and count how many seconds it takes to equal one ounce.
Originally Posted by Mr.JTurboII
thats the plan


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At least run the test at a couple different temperatures- say oil from the freezer and oil heated in boiling water to see what the flow variations are.
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Old Mar 2, 2015 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.JTurboII
I started looking in there, haven't found it yet.

It's in there.
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Old Mar 2, 2015 | 09:22 AM
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Why not utilize the rear wiper washer bottle? Assuming the pump can take it.. fill it up and measure out what it holds.. then make graduating marks in one ounce intervals on the side of the bottle. Maybe place the switch near the bottle itself. Get gas, open tire compartment, push button and observe level. I would think you could theoretically make your own new hole in the tank for the two stroke to **** in through...

Or you could just premix the same way most everyone else does, and not complicate things lol
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Old Mar 2, 2015 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by clokker
At least run the test at a couple different temperatures- say oil from the freezer and oil heated in boiling water to see what the flow variations are.
Hmm very good point, definitely will try that. I do think that since the reservoir will be inside, it shouldn't fluctuate too badly, maybe stay close to interior temps.

Originally Posted by Acesanugal
Why not utilize the rear wiper washer bottle? Assuming the pump can take it.. fill it up and measure out what it holds.. then make graduating marks in one ounce intervals on the side of the bottle. Maybe place the switch near the bottle itself. Get gas, open tire compartment, push button and observe level. I would think you could theoretically make your own new hole in the tank for the two stroke to **** in through...

Or you could just premix the same way most everyone else does, and not complicate things lol
I have a spare rear wiper washer that i was going to use to test this theory, If it works, i would like to find a nice shaped one to hold atleast 1 gallon. I did get a chance to look at the filler neck vent and there is room to run y connector right there so its not even a difficult task.

I'm only playing around with this idea because its something I've been wanting to try. Imagine pulling up for gas, pressing a button for x amount of seconds and get gas. over here in new jersey you don't pump your own gas. it wouldn't even be necessary to get out the car. no added time, no measuring, no mess, funnels etc.
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Old Mar 2, 2015 | 11:32 PM
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You'd have to press the button and measure the oil (timing the pump is measuring, is it not?) after you filled with gas or how would you know how much to add?

I premixed for a few weeks as an experiment and think you exaggerate the procedure...it's not particularly messy or time consuming. In fact, I could see that over the long haul, the only real concern would be ensuring you always had oil on hand.
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