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Old Dec 6, 2005 | 06:02 PM
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Project Karl, Turbo na post...

now, i know the mods of not fond on these posts, so lets try keep it in reason, so it dont get cloased.. im planing on turboing my na, and i wanna show what i do got, and u can hell me buy telling the stuff i dont have, and helping my along thru it.. im Very new to turbos so itz all learning to me, and whats the worse that can happen, i blow the motor.. i still have the Fb when that heppens lol.. soo here is what i do have

- S5 Turbo and manifold
- S4 T2 lim ported for a na to t2
- S4 T2 uim and TB
- S5 T2 ic
- S4 t2 BOV
- S4 T2 JDM down pipe
n332 ECU
2 550 CC injectors
and everything else you see in the pic

This is what i know i need

t2 fuel rails
engine wiring loom
2 550 injectors
AFM
T2 Ft cover


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Old Dec 6, 2005 | 07:07 PM
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You'll need oil and coolant lines for the turbo, and an upgraded clutch as well.

May want an SAFC to controll the fuel a bit. I'm planning on running a little on the rich side for some extra protection. You may want to get all new gaskets to be on the safe side (I know I did).
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Old Dec 6, 2005 | 07:28 PM
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You need a series four boost sensor. The non turbo one will NOT do.

I don't see why you need turboii fuel rails. Why?

Emissions wiring loom? If you do get a turboii Emissions wiring loom, then consider you NEED to take care of the two yellow plugs that do not go to the ECU. The ones called X-15 and X-16 in the series four fsm and called FEM-01 and FEM-02 in the later manuals. FEM meaning Front harness to Emissions harness. Wires need to be rearranged in those plugs.

Also something new to this discussion. The n/a and the turbo use different volume OMP's. Try to get the OMP with the front cover.

Here's an example of X-15. https://www.rx7club.com/forum/attach...hmentid=132792

The turboii wires are in the ( ). So let's say you have a turboii emissions harness and you have a wire that is BrR coming from the boost sensor. It is the output of the boost sensor. Now look, your now going to mate it with the standard non turbo half of the plug. Well, it's going to mate with a Black/White wire in the non turbo harness. Wanna know where that black/white wire is headed for? I'll tell you, its going to the ENGINE fuse (I think I've said Meter fuse in the past {wrong}. So now you have 12vdc coming from the Enigne fuse headed for the boost sensors output wire that usually outputs 1-3 vdc and splices off and heads for the ECU pin 2B (boost sensor input). None of that is good, so wiring should be changed for that pin.

See the other turbo wires,. the ones with the ( ) around them. Most are harmless except for the (BrB) wire that is a ground wire for all the sensors. That particular one on a turbo car is for the ground for the boost GAUGE. Well if you mate it with the WB wire on the nontubo car, then your putting a ground on a relay in the CPU. That relay is for the idiot lights.

I did most of the above from memory because there is no fsm available where I am right now.

Bottom line as far as I am concerned is..........use the non turbo harness. Lifer will be much easier in my humble opinion.

If someone finds me wrong about those colors and mating points, let me know.

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Old Dec 6, 2005 | 07:39 PM
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lucky me, i allready have a T2 oil pump and T2 omp pump i just dident mention them, or put them in the pic
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Old Dec 6, 2005 | 07:40 PM
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I'm premixing .
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Old Dec 6, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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im sending the omp away to get a nipple added so i can have a premix tank in the engine bay so it injects 2 stroke oil
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Old Dec 6, 2005 | 07:51 PM
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You need TII throttle cable too. And also make sure that your TII UIM and **** have the brackets for the TII throttle cable still. There's 1 or 2 on there that hold it in place as it goes around the UIM.
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Old Dec 6, 2005 | 07:54 PM
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woo, the uim has the bracket for the cable, thanx ddub ill add that to the list
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Old Dec 6, 2005 | 09:53 PM
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damn man your further along with your setup than i am with mine, you already have your LIM ported to match etc. i'm still missing odd and end like a throttle cable and s5 TB (was going to do it on the targa but i have the 91 now so yeah . . . .) good luck
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 06:27 PM
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thanx, i got some parts, but still need many more
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 07:09 PM
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I forgot to add before.

Since you are going to be running the stock TII ecu/wiring/etc and all that is entailed... you'll probably want to get an FCD (fuel cut defender).
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 07:11 PM
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did anyone say fuel pump yet??
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 02:56 AM
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HAILERS: he needs TII fuel rails (atleast the secondary rail) because he's using TII intake manifolds.
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 09:30 AM
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At this point, why not just get the TII block as well? You're 90% there anyway.
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 09:37 AM
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You blew up your engine how many times just NA, and now you're going turbo???
Gee, anyone else see something very wrong with the logic?


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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 09:41 AM
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He never 'blew' it up, he just 'fucked' it up putting it together!
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed
You blew up your engine how many times just NA, and now you're going turbo???
Gee, anyone else see something very wrong with the logic?
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I was keeping quiet. Honestly I can't see how this thread will ever work out. How many times did he have to re-re-re-rebuild his original engine?
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
At this point, why not just get the TII block as well? You're 90% there anyway.
I could ask YOU the same question!
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed
You blew up your engine how many times just NA, and now you're going turbo???
Gee, anyone else see something very wrong with the logic?


-Ted
Mean^^^^ Realistic but mean^^^^

In his defence though, they didnt actually blow, it was all coolant seal failure.

I wish him the best though, he's a very motivated little dude.
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 09:53 AM
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Syncro's got a gooood point there arron. .
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 09:55 AM
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nice port job (*beavis and butthead snicker*) on the lim but i have a question....





that hole ported near the flange for the rear plate, what's that for?
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 09:59 AM
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It's the coolant passage, all TII intakes have them, not really needed since you can get coolant from other locations.
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Originally Posted by BklynRX7
Mean^^^^ Realistic but mean^^^^

In his defence though, they didnt actually blow, it was all coolant seal failure.

I wish him the best though, he's a very motivated little dude.
Sorry, I'm a little bit delirious this morning, and that was the first thing that popped into my head!

Seriously though, I would try and get a good NA rebuild running before trying turbos...
That's just asking for trouble!


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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 10:01 AM
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[QUOTE=Syncro]Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
At this point, why not just get the TII block as well? You're 90% there anyway.



I could ask YOU the same question![QUOTE]

Aaron used everything n/a except for the turbo and exhaut mani.
Entire long block, front cover, ecu EVERYTHING is still n/a.
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 10:12 AM
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Not ecu i don't beleive. He has used a ton of n/a stuff though I guess. Still a reasonable question though
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