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Old Mar 9, 2007 | 11:56 PM
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Project 86 GXL: The Beginning

So, by now a few of you have seen me dabbling around the boards asking silly questions. I figure it's not a bad idea to document my progress with the car here, so forgive me if no one cares :-P

The car has been sitting for about 10 years now in my fathers garage, or what's left of it. We rolled it out a year or two ago, and I started cleaning it up in october. Since then I've replaced a snapped Clutch Master Cylinder, and slave Cylinder when I realized that was busted too. Attempted to swap the exhaust with a salvaged set, but realized I would need a hacksaw for that, so I'm just going to spend the 300 and get a custom catback magnaflow exhaust... don't think that's too bad for this area including labor.

Stepped on the brake pedal only to find it wouldn't budge, so I assume that the brake master cylinder is shot, just bought a new one and will be installing the new one tomorrow along with some stainless steel brake lines. :-D

Also on the agenda for tomorrow is the deciding moment that will either ruin or make my day; I'm gonna try starting her up. On monday I pulled out a spark plug on both chambers and sprayed some fogging oil as well as I could. I Just hope that did the trick to loosen up the rotors. After that, it's new belts, hoses, spark plugs and ignition wires.

I just hope that the alternator, water pump, and air pump all work too :-/ Only one way to find out!

Wish me luck!

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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 09:30 PM
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Well, I'd hardly call today a success, but not a complete loss. After initially trying to crank the engine, the stupid thing just wouldn't turn over. Pulled off the air intake and sprayed some starter fluid in there, and lo' and behold it started, ran of it's own volition for about 10 seconds, then sputtered off... So I guess the fuel lines are blocked. *shrugs* Gonna pull off the fuel filter and see if I can't poke around and find the blockage.

Also, managed to pull off the brake master cylinder, but found a verrry difficult bolt on the bottom of the cylinder; the brake fluid pressure sensor. Still can't get it off, even after dousing the thing in PB blaster and tryin to get it off with a wrench, vice grips AND a rubber mallet. Kinda pointless now, cause upon further inspection, the wire was crimped and barely hangin on anyway close to the top of the sensor, so might as well find a new one. Anyone know where I can get one? It's AAS, and no Anti-lock brakes.

Ugh, any feedback or suggestions are welcome
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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 09:33 PM
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I had a car before like this... problems you will/might be facing.

1. - air intake needs to be on for engine to run under own fuel do to the MAF you can kinda trick it by opening it wiht your finger.

2 - fuel pump might be bad from bad gas

3 - injectors might be plugged from bad gas.
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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 09:51 PM
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Ahh, I see... Well, with the air intake on it wouldn't run to begin with, but once again, probably the fuel line. I'll try again tomorrow with it on though.

I do hope that the fuel pump's ok though, lol... more money to spend, heh
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Old Mar 10, 2007 | 10:26 PM
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hen you turn the key on you should possibly hear the pummp cycling, get a buddy at the very back, lift up the carpet and listen where the top of the tank/fuel pump is located.
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Old Mar 11, 2007 | 12:17 AM
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Good tip, thanks :-)
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Old Mar 11, 2007 | 12:29 AM
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GL man, i tried getting one started that had sit for 2-3years, its absolute hell sometimes...
if its been sitting for 10years, unless it was properly stored(like what is found on arroncakes site) the pump is probably toast, or atlest now is properly trashed inside. im willing to bet that the Fuel System is FUBAR. However I hope Im wrong. Clean out the tank, new lines and filters, and fill with 2cycle and 87 and pray... I guess now might give you an Excuse to buy a walbro

being that she started is half the battle, the other half is only keeping it running

Thanks for putting another one of our cars back in service
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Old Mar 11, 2007 | 11:39 AM
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you're a brave man

it's hard enough to keep up with a car that's been well-maintained, much less one that's been neglected
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Old Mar 11, 2007 | 11:59 AM
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I guess i got lucky unflooding my old car that sat for 7 years in about 10 minutes.
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Old Mar 11, 2007 | 04:58 PM
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Wellll, can't even say today was remotely a success. Turned the ignition first, and it actually started again for about 5 seconds on it's own, but I figure that's just the remnants of the starter fluid. Had a friend crank it while I listened for the fuel pump, but I couldn't really distinguish anything over the sound of the engine, so I'm gonna take that as a bad sign. Started pullin apart the fuel filter and hoses, and of course ended up snapping off the bracket from the firewall. :-/ Gonna hafta go back and fix that soon. After attempting to prime the fuel lines by jumpin the yellow plug on the front passenger side, I kept the bottom end of the fuel filter disconnected and stuck a container under the hose and turned the ignition to see if any fuel would run through... Nothing.

I still haven't ruled out the lines or pump just being clogged, but with my luck...

Thanks for the support :-) I might need it! That and an endless checking account...
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 07:18 PM
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And, not that anyone cares... Took a video of the engine running cause I felt like it :-P

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oid=2014278257
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 07:24 PM
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you should be able to hear the fuel pump prime before you try to crank the engine. put the car in on positon. from the back you should be able to hear a whirrring sound. not sure what a rx fuel pump sounds like priming but hondas are loud as hell.
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 08:22 PM
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I say clean the lines, pull, clean,repair the tank and replace the pump with a walbro(Ebay, $100 vs Autozones $220 OEM pumps) youll probably have to end up doing it anyway... but the good news is that it atleast started... did it smoke at all when it started? Make sure you have good compression.(just because it started doesnt mean its got good compression)

Try pouring alittle 2cycle or Marval Mystery Oil into the engine, spin it over to get it in each rotorface to build up compression and find away to get the fuel line working right and your gold

oh and make sure if the Metering Oil Pump is working or not, new plugs couldnt hurt ether Its always a double edged sword with fixing old FCs, It is a PITA but if you are diligent hard working, the drive home is the sweetest of rewards
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 09:55 PM
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Do you think that pulling the tank is entirely neccessary? I'd rather avoid that as it's a lot of work. As for cleaning the lines, how should I go about doing that?

I also just bought a stock fuel pump from someone here for cheap, so I'll be replacing that soon.

Yah, the engine smoked a bit when I started it, couldn't really tell you what it smelled like or really how much it smoked, but I'd expect it to smoke a bit durin the first start.

When you say pour the 2cycle or Mystery oil into the engine, do you mean into the oil reservoir? Or through the spark plug holes like the fogging fluid?

How do I check if the oil metering pump is working? And I'm planning on putting in new plugs, just figured I'd wait a bit for those since all the junk that's been sittin there is gonna be spinnin around gettin everything nasty.

But boy oh friggin boy, I can't wait for that first ride home :-)

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Old May 23, 2007 | 06:34 PM
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Well, it's been a while since I last posted. I ended up dropping the fuel tank, and replacing the fuel pump, as well as cleaning out all the gunk and dirt in the gas tank. I replaced all rubber fuel hoses I could find from the fuel filter back, and got everything back up. After priming the fuel system, the car turned over, and stayed running!! She lives! Sounded pretty decent, after the engine settled in it was idling at a steady 800 rpm, which from what I understand is pretty decent.

Just waitin to get those Tein Super Street coilovers in, as well as a set of BFGoodrich g-force sport tires. Still gotta bleed the brake lines and replace the rubber hoses with a set of Russel Stainless Steel lines. Last, I gotta get the exhaust fixed, then it's registration and hittin the streets :-)
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