Ok here is my delima not getting power to the starter through the ignition switch but when I jump the terminals the starter engages and turns the motor it an 88 t2 motor in an 87 na car what am I missing starting to make me mad lol any help would be appreciated thanks guys!?!?!?!?!?! And the battery is brand new

 

Are you trying to fix an ongoing problem or something which just cropped up?

Are you aware of whether the car has either the factory alarm or the Clutch Interlock Switch?

 

Not sure about alarm but yes it has the clutch safety switch and it is good already ohmed it and not getting power to the plug on the back of the starter even with key to start position

 

If you have an alarm there would be a relay next to the Main Relay called the Starter Cut Relay. This relay has but one plug w/four wires while the other relay (Main Relay) would have two plugs ( 4 wire plug and a 2 wire plug). If you do not have the Starter Cut Relay then you will have a Blue plug with a few wires such as Black/Green, Black/White and a smaller gauge Green wire and this plug would be located close to the trailing coil. Plug would also have a jumper wire in the back of the plug mating the two thicker gauge wires. Once you find either of these plugs you will find the Black/White wire that runs down to the starter solenoid. Jumper this wire w/voltage and see if it turns the starter over.

And w/key to on do your wipers or turn signals work?

 

Doesn't seem to have an alarm the relay is good as well clicks every time I turn the key to on position so now I'm really lost

 

We're not interested in the Main Relay. Okay? We are interested on whether or not the wire from the Blue plug which carries the start signal to the starter solenoid is working or not. Okay?

 

Okay so is it the one that's wide and thin has about 8 or so wires

 

It's as previously described. Should have no more than four wires feeding one side of the plug and a U shaped jumper wire on the back side of the plug.

 

Ok gotcha found it

 

The thick Black/Green wire should have voltage w/key to start. Jumper wire passes voltage from B/G to Black/White so both should then have voltage w/key to start. Do they? Start with the thick B/G wire.

 

Both have three volts to each and motor turned over when jumped

 

What do you mean by "jumped." Did you test the voltage of these two wires w/ignition key to start or some other manner?

 

Yeah I used a multie meter and with the key to start both showed 3 volts and when I jumped the black white wire to the batterie the starter engaged and cranked the motor

 

There are two switches on your clutch pedal. The one at the very top has two wires colored Black/Red and a Black/Green. B/R comes from the Ignition Switch and B/G takes this voltage to the Blue plug near the trailing coil. You need to measure the B/R wire w/key to start and it should read much higher than 3 volts.

 

That one is reading 12.30 volts

 

Then look at the harness that supplies the two wires to this switch and jumper these two wires so it's B/G to B/R.

 

From the conector by the clutch right

 

Yes.

 

The female or the male clip and while there connected or no

 

You jumper the two wires feeding the switch. Once jumpered it should not matter whether the switch was connected or not.

 

Ok they are jumped now do I need to check the volts or what

 

If the two wires are properly jumpered then w/key to start the voltage you found on the R/B wire jumps to the B/G wire which is jumpered at the Blue plug and that voltage finds its way on to the B/W wire that runs to the starter, so just try to start the car.

 

Ok that is jumped and the key cranks the car what does that mean

 

It means you have a problem w/the switch on the clutch pedal for the voltage on B/R wire must pass on to the B/G wire in this switch when the key is set to start and the pedal is depressed. If it doesn't then the switch is problematic. If this were the case then you obviously can leave the jumper in place or replace/repair the switch.

 

Awesome man I really appreciate all the help bro owe you a ton