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Old 06-27-05, 01:54 PM
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Need some advice on buying a 1991 Vert

The Vert has 125,000 miles on it and its a 5-speed.. The paint is in good condition. The top comes down but comes up only when it wants to. Would this be an easy fix?

The clutch when depressed makes a humming noise but it does engage and go into gear without grinding. Does this sound like the clutch or the throw out bearing failing, or is the tranny bad?

The brakes and rotors need replacing as well as the master cylinder. The windows don't roll up or down. There are no oil leaks.

The coolant is low in the radiator but the coolant reservior is full. Do you guys think the engine is consuming coolant? The car hasn't been driven in a year. What should I offer for the car. Thanks guys for helping out.
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run away from it unless its a grand
Old 06-28-05, 12:19 AM
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how much are they charging for it?

Top could be something as easy as the switch (mine was) or wireing.
No clue on the clutch not good with such
Breaks wont be too bad if you are a half way decent mechanic, master cylinder will be a bit harder but still can be done for not a whole lot.

Windows could be the switch. the regulators, just stuck or wireing.
No oil leaks is good.
Coolant is a concern because we dont wont our engines overheated, but it could just be the rad cap, or some other leak in the cooling. NOTE this could be bad coolent seals in the engine. or could just be a leaky hose.

Its a 91 and thats a good thing. Can you start the engine? IF so how well does it sound? Does it run smooth? it should go up to about 3k when you start it when cold. Then drop to about 700-900 rmps (850 is perfect) other then that it should not very too much will idleing.

Does it smoke after it is warm? not too good for that one.

Thats all i have time for. right now but should be something to think of.


I bought mine two years ago for 4500. Great paint, runs good but needed lots of work on the interior, and a little engine work.
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the clutch definatly sounds like the throwout bearing is beginning to sieze up. I had the same problem on my other 7, and when you say humming, is it high pitched or low pitched? Cuz if its not high pitched then it might be somehting else.
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oh, and if it is the Throwout bearing, then it will go out soon and you will have to replace it. Along with the pressure plate, clutch disc, and pilot bearing. (just because it is apart)
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Originally Posted by cyfiro
The Vert has 125,000 miles on it and its a 5-speed.. The paint is in good condition. The top comes down but comes up only when it wants to. Would this be an easy fix?
I can't help you with this, my vert has a manual top (Miata )


Originally Posted by cyfiro
The clutch when depressed makes a humming noise but it does engage and go into gear without grinding. Does this sound like the clutch or the throw out bearing failing, or is the tranny bad?
If the sound is only there when the clutch is depressed, then its definately related to the clutch. What exactly is it? Who knows! It's not like you'd tear off the tranny just to replace one part.. my guess is throwout bearing, as the only time its used is when you push the clutch pedal, but that would all be replaced as one unit.. I think a stock clutch kit costs in the 150-175, If I remember correctly.

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The brakes and rotors need replacing as well as the master cylinder. The windows don't roll up or down. There are no oil leaks.
Brakes/Rotors/Master Cylinder are nothing to be concerned about (Unless they're so bad you can't drive it home ). The brakes will run you about 30-40 a disc, and the pads are about 25 a set, so look to spend about 150 for all of the brakes, and about 30-40 for a rebuilt master cylinder. Just do it all at once, spend the 20 bucks and replace all the rubber hose on the system at the same time. Should only take about two hours, counting bleeding.

Windows could be anything (I had a faulty switch), to the motors.. its not a complex system, nor very expensive with the common used parts in the "for sale" section on this forum.

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The coolant is low in the radiator but the coolant reservior is full. Do you guys think the engine is consuming coolant? The car hasn't been driven in a year. What should I offer for the car. Thanks guys for helping out.
The coolant could be low from anything. It could be something major like a water seal or something internal, or (most likely?), its something like a pin-hole leak in a hose, or a water pump gasket or bearing that leaks. If there's no sign of coolant in the oil, or oil in the coolant, it significantly reduces the chances of it being an internal seal.. (not eliminates, mind you).

Take it easy on the car, remember that sitting is the worst punishment you can do for any mechanical device. You'll ahve to go through and replace all the hoses and belts, but I'm assuming you were planning that, since you're buying a 14 year old car.

As far as price? Um.. well, Verts go for more, and if its in good shape physically, no rust, fair-good paint, I could see anywhere up to 2-2.5k (higher for mechanical shape, too). But use whatever you can to negotiate it down. Just remember that verts are much pricer than the coupes.

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Old 06-29-05, 02:37 AM
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The guy and his wife are the original owners and they want $1600 for it. We had to jump start it, but it did start up right away with no smoking and the engine sounds good and runs smooth. I didn't drive it though because the check coolant light was on and we didn't want to risk overheating it.

The body and paint are in good shape. No rust. Engine bay is clean and so is the undercarriage. The leather seats are badly cracked.

The A/C doesn't work and the vents can only blow hot air.

The thing I'm really concerned with is the low coolant in the radiator. If it is bad coolant seals, will I have to rebuild the engine and if so how much will this cost?

The car did pass smog a year ago here in Southern California.

I found this car by driving around and I knocked on their door and ask if they wanted to sell it.

Thanks guys!

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